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Obamacare Architect Says Abortion is a Social Good
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 27, 2014 | DUSTIN SIGGINS

Posted on 11/27/2014 8:07:34 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/27/2014 8:07:34 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...
As such, wrote Gruber and his co-authors, the data “impl[ies] that the legalization of abortion saved the government over $14 billion in welfare expenditures through 1994.”

Follow the money trail, ping!

2 posted on 11/27/2014 8:08:09 AM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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Too bad his mother didn’t see it that way.


3 posted on 11/27/2014 8:11:11 AM PST by mkmensinger
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From Operation Rescue:

• Blacks comprise only 13% of the population of America but account for 37% of all abortions.

• Black women are five times more likely to abort than white women.

• 69% of pregnancies among Blacks are unintended, while that number is 54% among Hispanics and 40% of pregnancies among Whites.

• Planned Parenthood, the largest seller of abortions in the United States, has located 80% of its abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, disproportionally targeting minorities for abortion.

The “social good” that he sees must be a decrease in the number of blacks in this country. What a racist!!


4 posted on 11/27/2014 8:11:23 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Democrats have a lynch mob mentality. They always have.)
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To: NYer

As if we HAVE to spend on welfare.


5 posted on 11/27/2014 8:12:13 AM PST by MNDude
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To: ClearCase_guy

Someone in academia dishonest?!? Next thing you know you’ll tell me global warming is a farce.


6 posted on 11/27/2014 8:12:38 AM PST by Mean Daddy
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The only people who advocate abortion are the living who live in darkness. Those they eliminate have no voice unless we stand up for them.


7 posted on 11/27/2014 8:13:26 AM PST by Faith
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The average living circumstances of cohorts of children born immediately after abortion became legalized improved substantially relative to preceding cohorts, and relative to places where the legal status of abortion was not changing,”

Utilitarianism is not a legitimate justification for the violation of the God given natural right to life.

8 posted on 11/27/2014 8:15:22 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: mkmensinger

Using his logic we should just march all the single-parent, poverty stricken, welfare collectors off to the ovens.

I must say, it sure would lessen the burden on us flipping the bill.


9 posted on 11/27/2014 8:16:53 AM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: NYer

Isn’t this kind of negated by amnesty for illegal aliens? I mean how can you chalk up savings on one side of the ledger, but ignore costs on the other side?


10 posted on 11/27/2014 8:17:13 AM PST by fhayek
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“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

—Isaiah 5:20


11 posted on 11/27/2014 8:21:11 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: fhayek

This is why Democrats desperately need Illegal Alien Invaders to vote- they’ve aborted, gayed, and population-controlled their way out of the popular majority. On the other hand, most conservatives have taken “go forth and muliply” to heart (I have...I have four kids).


12 posted on 11/27/2014 8:22:48 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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Teaching people that it is okay to kill other people for reasons of convenience, laziness, etc., cannot possibly have a good effect on society. When the only value placed on human life is whether it contributes in a utilitarian fashion to “society”, society cannot help but become ugly and base as a result.

When children are raised by mothers who killed their siblings, those children allowed to live suffer a lot of emotional damage. Women who abort must suppress their maternal instincts to kill their children—those instincts do not suddenly pop back up intact just because they decide to let a child live. Their ability to mother is impaired.

Abortion has the effect and purpose of fundamentally teaching women that they are worthless. If those who claim to be for women’s rights really believed in them, they would encourage women to use whatever means necessary to avoid pregnancy, instead of encouraging irresponsibility. It isn’t like there are no options for avoiding pregnancy—there are many, and more are being developed all the time. Regardless of what those who promote abortion claim, a woman *does* have the right to control her own body—and when she uses abortions for birth control, she is *not* exercising that right.


13 posted on 11/27/2014 8:26:31 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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Really ..??????

Too bad these champions of abortion .. don’t stop and think about what would have happened to them, if their parents had decided to abort THEM.

Amazing ..!!!!!


14 posted on 11/27/2014 8:29:28 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: mkmensinger

I was thinking the same thing.


15 posted on 11/27/2014 8:31:31 AM PST by jospehm20
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hes a whore...he can do any trick requested...for the money!


16 posted on 11/27/2014 8:32:17 AM PST by ldish (Have had enough...you??????)
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In one of Gruber's more infamous numbers crunching operations for the Clinton administration---Gruber equated the legalization of abortion w/ lower crime rates and economic progress.

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Bill Clinton was gleefully touting Gruber's mathematical sleight of hand only recently...laying the groundwork for 2016 Hillary:

CLINTON: "We had 100 times as many people move from poverty into the middle class," Bill Clinton told an appreciative audience during a cocktail hour hosted by POLITICO, marking the 10th anniversary of the Clinton Presidential Center.

"This shows the importance of policy. We can do this again”....Clinton said w/ a nod to Hillary.

Clinton 's Grubering is nauseating. Billy "forgot to mention" MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber crunched those numbers for the ever-ambitious Clintons....basing the numbers on the Clintons' knee-bending abortion worship. Read on.

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World Net Daily reported November 14, 2014
BY Jerome R. Corsi / FR Posted by Cincinatus' Wife

NEW YORK – Obamacare architect, Jonathan Gruber, (exposed for his frank admissions that passing Obama's signature legislation required lying to "stupid" Americans)......published a paper during the Clinton administration observing that legalizing abortion saved the government $14B in assistance to economically disadvantaged mothers, including African Americans.....and lowered crime.

MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber argued in his Clinton paper that without the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, “marginal children” would have been born to many poor mothers. Gruber said statistics show these aborted children would have been 70 percent more likely to live in a single-parent family, 40 percent more likely to live in poverty, 50 percent more likely to receive welfare and 35 percent more likely to die as an infant.

Economist Steven D. Levitt and journalist Stephen J. Dubner in their bestselling 2005 book, “Freakonomics,” relied on MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber’s work to argue that legalizing abortion was responsible for an approximately 50 percent reduction of crime in major urban centers in the early 1990s. more at wnd.com

17 posted on 11/27/2014 8:32:40 AM PST by Liz
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I remember a few years back when bill clinton came out and said much the same thing about how abortion lowered the crime rate, until his handlers realized how racist it was and the media swept it under the rug as quickly as possible,


18 posted on 11/27/2014 8:32:58 AM PST by captmar-vell
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He may be Jewish but he echos the attitudes of the Nazi’s: a clinical exposition of the statistics of organized mass murder and how it leads to a “greater good”.

Mengele all over again.


19 posted on 11/27/2014 8:33:14 AM PST by Regulator
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Well said. Definitely not good at a very fundamental level.

What it does is it diminishes the value of life. The pro-abortion people want us to redefine life so that it is easier to practice abortion.

A fetus becomes a lump of flesh. Tissue that is excised from the body like the tonsils or an appendix.

We should remember that the Nazi's did something very similar to the Jews in order to justify their atrocities.

20 posted on 11/27/2014 8:35:37 AM PST by dhs12345
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