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Why It Will Be Elizabeth Warren (Not Hillary Clinton) And A Castro For The Democrats In 2016
Hardhatters ^ | 11/17/2014 | Hal Hawkins

Posted on 11/17/2014 2:37:16 PM PST by thetallguy24

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In just two years, Americans will be voting for our next president. Many, many potential Republican contenders are already positioning themselves to run. On the other hand, it appears that Hillary Clinton is the presumptive nominee for the Democrats. If you really try to understand how the Democrat Party works, this won’t be the case.

Democrats Don’t Like To Play Next In Line

Republicans for many election cycles have used this method in selecting their non-incumbent candidate, and it has always been someone who was a heavy weight and usually came in second in the previous primary or election. Nixon in 1960/1968 as a former Vice President was next in line. Reagan nearly took out Ford in 1976 and, with a few exceptions, was a shoe in for 1980. George H.W. Bush finished 2nd in 1980 and was the Vice President, so he was perfectly positioned for 1988. Bob Dole had been waiting in line for years as a long-time Senator, 1976 Vice Presidential candidate, and 1988 primary runner-up. John McCain was another long-time Senator and 2000 primary runner up. Finally, Mitt Romney was the runner-up by popular vote in 2008. Even now, many insiders are assuming the next in line candidate to be Jeb Bush, Rick Perry, or (God forbid) Mitt Romney, again.

Democrats tend to shy away from this game for a simple reason: it doesn’t work well. In the past 50 years, the Democrats have chosen three candidates who would be considered next in line, and they all lost. Hubert Humphrey lost to Nixon in 1968, Walter Mondale lost in a landslide to Reagan in 1984, and, Al Gore lost a close race to George W. Bush in 2000.

In all other cases in the past 50 years, Democrats have rejected establishment, next in line candidates for newer, younger, more charismatic figures. They rejected Hubert Humphrey in 1972 in favor of George McGovern, Henry “Scoop” Jackson in 1976 in favor of Jimmy Carter, Gary Hart in 1988 in favor of Michael Dukakis, and Howard Dean in 2004 in favor of John Kerry. 1992 was more of a free for all because the next in line candidates didn’t want to run against Bush, but Democrats still chose a younger and more charismatic candidate in Bill Clinton. Of course in 2008, Hillary Clinton, the odds-on favorite was rejected in favor of a younger, less well-known, more charismatic candidate in Barack Obama. With the strategy, Democrats have a much higher success rate, with three (Carter, Clinton, and Obama) winning the presidency. If the history of Democrat Party nominations tells us anything, the odds are very much against Hillary.

Democrats Can Replace Her

Many Democrats wanted to break the glass ceiling and elect the first female President in 2008. Hillary Clinton was essentially the only possible option. Unfortunately for her, Democrats decided they wanted the first mixed-race President even more. 2016 gives Democrats a newer and fresher female option that can continue to fight against the phony “Republican war on women”, and Elizabeth Warren fits the bill.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
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Have to agree with this guy. Clinton isn't going to be it. Democrat strategists know better. They want to go full, blatant socialist in the 2016 campaign. Obama tried to hide it. Warren will come out blasting propaganda with both hands, and the media will eat it up.

The National Journal seems to disagree. http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-elizabeth-warren-probably-isn-t-running-for-president-20141116

But, one horrible Senator is now serving two terms as President.

1 posted on 11/17/2014 2:37:16 PM PST by thetallguy24
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Well the Chicago Mob took down the Clinton Crime Family in 2008.

So Baraq 2.0 is very possible....


2 posted on 11/17/2014 2:39:13 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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As for the Castros, no question.

People will see how obnoxious it is in supposed red texas it really is in san Antonio.

La Raza. Get It straight.


3 posted on 11/17/2014 2:40:22 PM PST by stanne
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The Castros have tried so hard to be squeaky clean. We know they aren’t, but the LIVs don’t.


4 posted on 11/17/2014 2:42:14 PM PST by thetallguy24
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Wow!

Whatta ticket!

Did anyone ever hear that the Indians and the Mexicans were at each other’s throats for 300 years in the Southwest?

The reason Geronimo lived on the U.S. side was his far greater hatred of the Mexican Army!

The ultimate Grievance Gang! You took our land! We want goodies!

Just hilarious. Can’t wait to see her do the campfire dance.


5 posted on 11/17/2014 2:42:26 PM PST by Regulator
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There is still a year left for Hillary to be re-habilitated....


6 posted on 11/17/2014 2:44:18 PM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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Castro. That’s perfect!


7 posted on 11/17/2014 2:45:59 PM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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I tend to agree with the article. Hillary’s window to the Presidency is closing. Her health is an issue. Her age, fair or not, will be an issue. She’s been on the scene since 1992, an eternity in politics. A number of people are simply tired of her. The nail in the coffin, though, is the fact that the Democratic Party has gone hard, hard left in recent years. Hillary is seen as downright conservative by some in Democratic circles now.


8 posted on 11/17/2014 2:51:48 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is always intense.)
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2016 gives Democrats a newer and fresher female option that can continue to fight against the phony “Republican war on women”, and Elizabeth Warren fits the bill.

Wait, they want a candidate who can fight against a
PHONY? “republican war n women”.

That has to be some kind of oxy-moron.


9 posted on 11/17/2014 2:53:57 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Next Democrat to run for office will have a Latino name! Obama wants all them illegals for that reason. Brown is the new black.


10 posted on 11/17/2014 2:54:42 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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Yes, I think so.


11 posted on 11/17/2014 2:59:48 PM PST by Bogie
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I think its phony according to the author, but the Republican war on women is something the Democrats still want to propagandize.


12 posted on 11/17/2014 3:00:34 PM PST by thetallguy24
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Yep. Warren is the one I’ve been concerned about since she won her current job.


13 posted on 11/17/2014 3:02:31 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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Sure, things look worse for Clinton now than they did a month or so ago, but what makes you think that the Democrat "base" is likelier to get its own way than the Republican "base"?

However you want to define "base," the candidate who may be the darling of the party's ideological core isn't necessarily the party's choice for the nomination.

Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich or Liz Warren isn't that much more likely to get the Democratic nomination than Steve Forbes or Pat Buchanan or Herman Cain or Pat Robertson was to get the Republican nomination (a little more likely since they managed to get elected to office, but not much).

Hillary may crash and burn, but my take is that other challengers would split the vote among themselves. Within the Democratic Party, Blacks and Latinos can get on the Hillary train, as can White women and White men. If it's not Hillary, each group will demand a candidate from their own group. The different candidates would cancel out, leaving Hillary the nominee.

14 posted on 11/17/2014 3:03:02 PM PST by x (Phew. you had me worried there for a moment. I thought you were going to change everything on me.)
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Castro?

As in Fidel or that creep from Cleveland(?) who held girls hostage for years?


15 posted on 11/17/2014 3:05:10 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To me Kucinich/Sanders appear as the Ron Paul of the Dems. Whereas Warren appears as the the Ted Cruz of the Dems.


16 posted on 11/17/2014 3:06:05 PM PST by thetallguy24
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I don’t expect Hillary to win in 2016 for the simple reason is that she is an old bag, and now looks like an old bag.

Fauxcahontas Warren is another loser.

democRATS have a habit of electing back benchers. If it’s going a broad, look to the second string of candidates. Maybe that loopy dyke mayor in Texas....or more likely Jennifer Granholm even though she’s not an NBC they will trot out, neither was Bath House Barry too.


17 posted on 11/17/2014 3:07:11 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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I would prefer to run against Princess Spreading Bull than Hillarious.


18 posted on 11/17/2014 3:07:14 PM PST by amnestynone (A big government conservative is just a corporatist who is not paying enough taxes.)
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The first 1/32nd native american president. Madame paleface Liarwatha.


19 posted on 11/17/2014 3:07:17 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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She's not loved the left, she's old and drunk with brain damage, and she failed as a SOS. But she's still a big playa.


20 posted on 11/17/2014 3:12:29 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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