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To: Jacquerie

They will finally get what they want.. If a con con is called they will take our guns and our religious pseudo- freedoms. These people will not honestly and laboriously follow the Constitution now, and they will not do so with the call. Our last grip on society will be lost through fraud and fraudulent legal processes.


4 posted on 11/14/2014 2:24:50 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: momincombatboots

Exactly. Without a lot of spiritual turning back, the US will simply vote itself to be constitutionally a European socialist state.


5 posted on 11/14/2014 2:40:45 AM PST by InMemoriam (Now a crazy, paranoid, right-wing conspiracy nut. Thanks, Obama!)
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To: momincombatboots; InMemoriam
1. There is no such thing as a con-con.

2. There are 350 million plus guns in the US. Do you intend to give up yours? Neither will the rest of us.

3. <>These people will not honestly and laboriously follow the Constitution now, and they will not do so with the call.<>
That is a common concern and easily addressed.
The only worthwhile amendments are structural, like those proposed by Mark Levin, which cannot be ignored any easier than even year elections.

4. To restore religious freedom, restore the structural division of power design of our framers. Start with a senate of the states and go from there.

7 posted on 11/14/2014 3:05:36 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: momincombatboots; InMemoriam

Oh, one more thing. Rather than erupt in emotion, try educating yourselves. Knowledge awaits you at the link.


8 posted on 11/14/2014 3:08:48 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: momincombatboots
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

19 posted on 11/14/2014 10:28:13 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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