Posted on 11/06/2014 5:40:39 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
House Speaker John Boehner and incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, outlining their legislative vision for the last two years of Barack Obama’s presidency, are vowing to try to repeal the Affordable Care Act.
The Republican House speaker from Ohio and incoming Senate majority leader from Kentucky noted that a commitment to creating jobs “means renewing our commitment to repeal Obamacare, which is hurting the job market along with Americans’ health care.” The ACA remains a politically divisive issue, and further attempts at repeal would surely be met with significant Democratic opposition and a White House veto.
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Doyou honestly believe that McConnell, who ran on a promise to "repeal" Obamacare, will actually send a Bill to Obama that actually repeals it? Yesterday he tried to claim that the"American People" (that would be you and me) are deeply troubled about the minimal tax on durable medical equipment, as if most Americans are upset that they might have to someday pay an extra dollar or two out of their pockets for a TENs unit, should they need one 20 years from now.
McConnell's concern is not for the American people, but for his Crony Capitalist contributors.
Yes I am a cynic. It is not wise not to be cynical. Look what happened when Republicans owned both Houses and the Presidency. They went on a spending spree that would have made LBJ blush.
Now is not the time to put your trust back in government. The Republicans are cowards. McConnell is the worst of the lot, and he will be leading the retreat.
Maybe Ted Cruz would do it, but not those two old retreads. We need fresh leadership, the old ones are past their expiration date.
My take is that Obama intends to play the martyr aligned against an entire Congress of hundreds who are against him. He and the media will portray him as Martin Luther King, Jr. against J Edgar Hoover’s white guys, Boehner and McConnell.
So, I think it is critical for the republican to think strategically about their leadership. If he weren’t so junior a senator, Tim Scott would be my choice for Senate Majority leader. All of our minority/female senators are junior, so I’d go with Marco Rubio, an Hispanic, because of his experience as Speaker of the House in the Florida legislature, and I truly do think his participation in an immigration bill he immediately repudiated absolves him. Someone like Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee should be Speaker of the US House, female, and a good conservative track record.
We need to change the paradigm that the media and Obama are counting on. We know already that Boehner and McConnell aren’t up to it.
Eisenhower was a "junior" General at the start of WWII. I personally despise the seniority system. It promotes butt kissers and incompetents to positions of leadership to which they are totally inadequate to the task.
But political parties are just another form of unionism and bureaucracy.
We need rookies and outsiders in positions of leadership.
You are right about Eisenhower. In fact, he had never once led combat troops. His value was he was an excellent statesman and diplomat.
I know Scott is very junior and conservative. But, who better to be the face of the republican party, than a South Carolina black conservative? My concern would be his knowledge of the ins and outs of the rules and laws of the Congress. He could always have a senior staff that knew what they were up to. It worked with Eisenhower.
Hi. Yes, I’m new. Just registered. Been reading FR for years and years. So now, the GOP did a great job and too the Senate and gained more seats in the house. what’s the mood here? VOTE EM OUT.
HOnestly. what are you people smokig?
When you’re always a cynic, then your opinion doesn’t count for anything, because you’re always the same regardless.
It is a shallow and sophomoric trait.
I shouldn’t have to tell you this, but since you asked.
Go back to the way it was, except with your ability to buy from any state you wanted. Some allow total underwriting.
Require providers to post procedure costs so you could get the best deal.
Total portability from state to state, Health savings accounts with a roll-over from year to year allowing high-deductibles.
High Risk Pools for the uninsurable.
What’s wrong with that?
So...no more obtaining insurance with a pre-existing condition or carrying children on parents policy until 26? What do you say to the people losing their coverage? Let's face it, one thing that cost Obamacare popularity was all the stories about people losing their coverage because of it. Now it's going to happen all over again.
Require providers to post procedure costs so you could get the best deal.
You can already get that online.
Total portability from state to state, Health savings accounts with a roll-over from year to year allowing high-deductibles.
Again, already available.
High Risk Pools for the uninsurable.
One pool of people most likely to cost the insurance companies the most money? Who would be able to afford the premiums for that?
I say we wait until the new Senate forms and we see what they do. The agenda should be known before long. It should not take rocket science to realize this Congress ( Both Houses) must actually demand zero submit a budget and then actually pass a budget that cuts spending and pays down the debt. The budget must cut the funds for welfare and EBT cards and other programs to include worthless ones. There must be Corporate tax relief as well as other tax measures that are conducive to business and job creation.
Wrong, that's what the HRPs are for. Guaranteed Issue is what makes it so expensive.
carrying children on parents policy until 26?
That's up to the individual states.
What do you say to the people losing their coverage?
Go buy insurance on the private market, it'll be much less expensive. More people lost insurance than obtained it, mostly on medical welfare now (Medicaid).
Let's face it, one thing that cost Obamacare popularity was all the stories about people losing their coverage because of it.
That's because ObolaCare made their policies illegal, now they'd be legal again.
Now it's going to happen all over again.
No, the reverse would happen.
providers to post procedure costs...You can already get that online.
I doubt it, but if so, that would be a good thing. So how much is a lung transplant in your area?
Total portability from state to state...Again, already available.
I don't think so.
One pool of people most likely to cost the insurance companies the most money? Who would be able to afford the premiums for that?
Before the ACA, a majority of states had them, and with much lower premiums. Only a small percentage of the insureds were in them, and they are partially subsidized by the insurers.
If you don't understand the free-market principles of health insurance...why are you debating this?
If you're so in love with guaranteed issue and outrageous premiums, I'm sure one of the RAT states will have an overpriced policy for you...New Jersey for example.
But High RIsk Pools combine all your bad apples, so to speak, into a single group. These are the people most likely to need medical care and the ones most likely to file substantial claims. Wouldn't that mean that their premiums would have to be even higher? Otherwise the insurance companies would get taken to the cleaners on it.
That's up to the individual states.
It wasn't before, or if it was they didn't do it. What makes you think they will now?
Go buy insurance on the private market, it'll be much less expensive.
How do you know?
That's because ObolaCare made their policies illegal, now they'd be legal again.
But those policies are gone. What makes you sure that the insurance companies will bring them back?
No, the reverse would happen.
Because you say so, huh?
I doubt it, but if so, that would be a good thing. So how much is a lung transplant in your area?
So they don't have Google or Bing where you live? You can get most everything you want right here. Maybe not for your idiotic example of a lung transplant, but for things that everyone may need it works just fine. For example, if I needed a Level III Echocardiogram in the KC area I could expect to pay anywhere from $2200 to $2600 for it. Say my dad needed a pacemaker. Anywhere from $41,600 to $69,000. Hip replacement? $26,300 to about $48,000. So like I said, it's already there for anyone who wants to find i.
I don't think so.
Sure are. If you are at a company wiht an HSA and you leave then your money goes with you for you to use regardless of where you move to.
Before the ACA, a majority of states had them, and with much lower premiums. Only a small percentage of the insureds were in them, and they are partially subsidized by the insurers.
Heavily subsidized by the states. What makes you so sure they'll go back to that?
If you don't understand the free-market principles of health insurance...why are you debating this?
It's not so much that I don't understand free-market principles of health insurance as that I don't have your vivid imagination on the subject.
People are getting their needed operations and dropping out of Obamacare ( stopping monthly payments and deductibles) because they can’t afford it. This whole idiotic pipedream was destine to fail from the start. This whole mess will end up like Fanny Mae buying up bogus loans.
High RIsk Pools combine all your bad apples, so to speak, into a single group. These are the people most likely to need medical care and the ones most likely to file substantial claims.
Damn right, they've worked before and they'll work again. Most states had them and more were established during the Bush years.
Wouldn't that mean that their premiums would have to be even higher? Otherwise the insurance companies would get taken to the cleaners on it.
HRPs contain about 1% of a state's insured, who have GUARANTEED CLAIMS (not most likely) in excess of $100,000 a year. Claims are directly tied to premium, and that 1% consumes 50% of the claim dollars. Their presence in the standard pool doubles your premiums. The company doesn't get taken to the cleaners...you do. Or the carrier just leaves the state.
(Insuring 26 yo "kids") It wasn't before, or if it was they didn't do it. What makes you think they will now?
It certainly was, Maine enacted it several years ago. All health insurance mandates were regulated by the states.
Go buy insurance on the private market, it'll be much less expensive. How do you know?
Because all states have different regulations on their markets, and the private sector has proven that they can do virtually anything better than any government, especially insurance.
But those policies are gone. What makes you sure that the insurance companies will bring them back?
The companies are there because they want to do business, they do well in a free-market environment, and flee states (like Maine) that don't. The more policies they write, the more money they make, and Obamacare killed their universe of written policies.
No, the reverse would happen...Because you say so, huh?
No, because it's happened before. New Hampshire for example.
So they don't have Google or Bing where you live?
I don't think they have procedural fees publicized here. I said if they do, that's a good thing.
Heavily subsidized by the states. What makes you so sure they'll go back to that?
They should be subsidized by the insurers, it's in their own best interest. You DON'T want them subsidized by the taxpayers.
I don't have your vivid imagination on the subject.
There's no imagination involved...it's Maine's experience. We took a fairly average market and destroyed it in 1993 as did most Northeastern States (friends of HillaryCare). We had or have about the 2nd highest premiums in the US, with only about 1.5 million residents. I believe around seven carriers left Maine.
States elsewhere that didn't take these radical steps to destroy carriers have reasonable if not downright inexpensive premium rates 1/2 to 1/3 of Maine rates.
I just told you why.
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