Time for the Fair Tax; Ted Cruz is a sponsor

[redinIllinois]

good article by Neal Boortz

http://www.wsbradio.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2014/oct/29/michelle-nunn-and-fairtax/

http://fairtax.org/cosponsors/

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s00122:@@@P

THE FAIR TAX WOULD BE THE BIGGEST TRANSFER OF POWER FROM DC BACK TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY

A flat tax is still an income tax, and would leave the IRS in place.

It punishes productivity, and fails to capture any revenue from the illegal aliens and illegal activities like drugs and prostitution because most of them don't report their income, but they buy stuff, so with the Fair Tax, they would start paying a share.

The IRS tried to take out the Tea Party, it would be sweet vengeance for the Tea Party to take out the IRS.

The IRS terrorizes Americans with the threat and expense of an audit.

And now we are supposed to trust this monstrous agency with our lives and health?

Say no to terrorism - abolish the IRS.

Every discussion should point out that now is the time for the Fair Tax!!

[Beagle8U]

“Therefore, no chance of what you are saying.”

At some point the RATS will control everything again, when they do they would change it however they want.

[Hostage]

It took more than 51 years for those pushing the income tax to get the 16th amendment ratified.

Once the 16th is repealed and the FairTax is the law of the land, the income tax will be gone from our lifetime. It may come back but we won’t be around to see it.

One beautiful aspect of the FairTax is that it conforms in spirit and substance with the pre-16th amendment original provisions and intents for taxation under the US Constitution. It can live and thrive without the 16th amendment. But a Flat Tax requires the 16th and because of that there will always be changes to make it more graduated. That is exactly what has happened with the 4 previous flat tax laws in American History, they always become graduated through legislative changes.

A FLAT TAX NEVER STAYS FLAT!

[Terry L Smith]

dear shark,

Again, if this country is founded on judeo-christian principles, and the god of the bible says ‘give me one in ten of everything’, are we, by electing those who then demand from the electorate, MORE than what the god of the bible demands, not making THEM more worthy of ‘tribute - Roman definition’, than the one of whom desires the one in ten?

We’ve gone from those hallowed and revered principles to outright theft at the end of a gun, held by the very organization, that now, takes the money from us.

[OneWingedShark]

dear shark,

Again, if this country is founded on judeo-christian principles, and the god of the bible says ‘give me one in ten of everything’, are we, by electing those who then demand from the electorate, MORE than what the god of the bible demands, not making THEM more worthy of ‘tribute - Roman definition’, than the one of whom desires the one in ten?

My amendment puts an upper limit of 10% on the tax rate, how then can you say the tribute would exceed God's?

We’ve gone from those hallowed and revered principles to outright theft at the end of a gun, held by the very organization, that now, takes the money from us.

I quite agree, and that's why Section I prohibits withholdings and Section II explicitly prohibits taking of property before a jury trial in which the jury has the unquestionable and inalienable right to declare that there is no debt owed

There's several amendments I'd propose to curtail the assumption of power by the government.

[Mr. K]

Wow- the brilliance of your rebuttal amazes me! I’m convinced...

Explain to me again how the democrats would not be stepping all over each other to offer make the ‘prebate’ bigger every year if you vote for them?

[Terry L Smith]

Dear shark,

I am taken with some of your proposals. They are well-placed arguments, and address many concerns.

Now, when are you running for public office?

Or, are all of these cranial gymnastics?

[Taxman]

You can opppose FairTax for any reason you choose, but to say that it is more complex than the present system is absurd, and you know it!

And, how many supporters in Congress does your plan have?

[i_robot73]

Neither did the original 16th (as it was ONLY to be levied against the top 3%...IIRC [still Socialist us vs. them])

Plus, you fail to account how a flat tax would encompass ALL...not just the ‘favored’ (IE: ‘elderly’ and the ‘poor’ whom DO use services as much as the ‘middle class’...and the former more likely to BE the ‘upper class’).

Though, I’m not in disfavor of your last point ;)

[i_robot73]

NP. Though, I am quite surprised at the number of Flat Tax cheerleaders (even noting some of the cons in my original post).

Aside from the pre-bate, and the rate of the Fair Tax (22-23% being WAY too high), it’s the only ‘across the board’, ‘everyone pays’ and VOLUNTARY system.

Any shenanigans from any higher level and the lower level cuts off the $$ flow upstream.

THAT is where the power lies, back with We the People.

[OneWingedShark]

Dear shark,
I am taken with some of your proposals. They are well-placed arguments, and address many concerns.

Thank you.

Now, when are you running for public office?
Or, are all of these cranial gymnastics?

I've honestly been thinking about `16 — given the names like Bush, Christie, and Romney being thrown around by the Republican party makes me think they fully intent to push another unacceptable candidate. There are several problems: I'm not exactly a people-person, got zero [disposable] funds for a campaign, got absolutely no experience in public office, and I don't want to run as a Democrat or Republican [I don't think either party would appreciate me for the following reasons.] The pluses are: I want to root out corruption and injustice and I want the Constitution to be honored —

I have an idea for getting the most lawless branch of the government [the Judiciary] to agree with some of my decidedly antii-statist readings of the Constitution: Remember Kelo v. New London, where the USSC found that projected tax income was a valid reason to allow seizing the property and turning it over to a private developer? Well, make the black-robed god-kings sleep in that bed! I'd order all their personal property seized [using "projections"] and clearly citing Kelo; then just watch how quickly they reverse Kelo. Another thing is the indefinite detention of the NDAA, detain them [in solitary situations, on bread and water] (sure, assign a PFC to fetch them law pooks, papers, and writing instruments; but don't let them have access to anything else and tell them plainly that it all depends on the NDAA's Constitutionality… and funnily enough, Art I, Sec 9 allows Congress to suspend Habeas Corpus). — Yeah, those black-robed god-kings think they know an adversarial relationship? Hah! —

I'd also prosecute the NSA (yes, the whole agency) over the domestic expionage, and the TSA over its routine 4th Amd violations, the IRS over its violations of the 5th Amd (and either 6th or 7th) and their political targeting, and any of the BATFE/FBI/DEA/ICE involved in Fast & Furious and then there's the Congress…

I think there's a way to get them to make themselves literal traitors, simply by following the Constitution (Art IV, Sec IV), in such a way we could forcibly remove the open-borders/globalists from office.

I dunno, even my "plus" side could be read as a negative: Shark's a vindictive little bastard!

[OneWingedShark]

You can opppose FairTax for any reason you choose, but to say that it is more complex than the present system is absurd, and you know it!

I never said it's more complex than the current system — I said it was too complex, period.

And, how many supporters in Congress does your plan have?

Considering nobody in Congress has yet seen it, zero.
But that's a-ok, I fully expect that it cuts off too much power and would never be seriously considered by them.

[arthurus]

No exemptions, deductions, credits. 9% (for example) from the first dollar of earned income for everyone with earned income. Everyone has to write the check, monthly or annually. No withholding. Thus everyone sees the taxes they are paying and understands that they are paying for whatever welfare and benefits are dispensed. The "Fair" tax doesn't do that. It just becomes the higher prices that people will pay in the store. There will be no sense among the hoi polloi that they are paying for anything, that the government frivolity and vote buying is coming out of their paychecks, just as with the current income tax.
And that's "who" not "whom."

[Taxman]

The FairTax is a simple consumption tax. It is hardly complex.

Where do you conjure up the complexity?

Well, if you are for tax reform, why not support the best plan put forward, the FairTax?

[OneWingedShark]

The FairTax is a simple consumption tax. It is hardly complex.
Where do you conjure up the complexity?

The prebate isn't simple.

Well, if you are for tax reform, why not support the best plan put forward, the FairTax?

Because it's not the best plan, and because the complexity will be used for corrupt purposes.

[i_robot73]

Yours still is theft by gov’t and only exists for those whom STILL are in the work force...go retirees, nothing ‘under the table’, no ‘grey/black markets’, etc.; it doesn’t cover EVERYONE.

Fair Tax shows, on EACH receipt, how much gov’t is costing the consumer. X% to Count/City, Y% to State, Z% to Fed...they are ‘writing the check’ on EVERYTHING they choose to purchase.

Hence, the flourish of individualism again under a Fair Tax....barter, trade, 2nd-hand. People looking for the bargain, making informed choices and all of it VOLUNTARY.