Posted on 10/26/2014 2:24:22 PM PDT by maggief
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Update at 4 p.m. ET: Hickox Remains In Isolation
"The patient remains isolated and under observation in a climate-controlled, indoor, extended care area in a building adjacent to the hospital," Newark's University Hospital says in an update on Hickox issued Sunday afternoon.
Saying that officials from the federal and state government continue to evaluate her condition, the hospital said a CDC team has visited the site.
"The patient has computer access, use of her cell phone, reading material (magazines, newspaper) and requested and has received take-out food and drink," hospital communications director Stacie Newton said.
Update at 2:35 p.m. ET: Nurse Hires Civil Rights Attorney
In a move that could open a new legal front in the debate over how the fight against Ebola is managed — and how people who have potentially been exposed to the disease are treated — Kaci Hickox has reportedly hired Norman Siegel, an attorney who specializes in civil and human rights cases involving the government. That news comes from J. David Goodman of The New York Times, who tweeted quotes from a conversation with Siegel Sunday afternoon.
"I asked her if she wanted this to be a test case," Siegel tells Goodman, "and she said yes."
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
States don’t deal with the free flow of international commerce or travel that is most certainly the realm of the feds. We already see what happens to the constitutional 2nd amendment when left in the hands of individual states gives to us. A mish mash set of local rules that are totally unconstitutional replete with restrictions regulations registering etc. Sometimes things left to the states is not always the best decisions. Government itself has been the problem state level and federally
Yeah, that’s what I don’t understand. You’d think after seeing all the death that this virus causes, she’d appreciate her own country trying to contain it before it starts. But, I guess I’d be wrong if I thought that.
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Sounds like a different agenda is at stake here.
I’m not trying to say we should trust anybody, only that truly effective public health measures necessary to stop an epidemic require ruthless application of uniform measures throughout the area. The only group that CAN do any such thing is the feds.
Personally, I don’t think they’re capable of doing so, but at least in theory they could develop the capability.
Let’s say you live in LA, and your governor puts in place a rigorous and effective plan of control. Unless he completely shuts the borders of the state, including air traffic, which there is certainly some constitutional question about, his efforts will be utterly ineffective if any other state does not perform equally well.
Some things require central control. The problem with leftists is not that they recognize this fact, it’s that they try to extrapolate it to everything else.
Some conservatives and libertarians, OTOH, refuse to recognize that not everything can be dealt with using liberty and the free market. Fighting wars, for one. Fighting epidemics, for another.
why isn’t this bitch being quarantined at her home - particularly if she has no fever? of course that would require some sort of secure transport from NJ to Maine.
Period.
The States do fine with health. That's why it's usually local, and not actually at the Federal level.
You burn the Constitution because of your fear. I'll stick with the 10th Amendment.
/johnny
Absolutely. And if they demure, walk out. They are not any different than a regulated-to-death business.
She’s from Las Vegas I read.
Living, breathing people from the States do the heavy lifting, and have the legal responsibility.
The States do just fine with all other health issues, including contagious diseases.
I'll stick with the Constitution. You go with your fears.
/johnny
She is well known left wing Obama bot Rat activist.
She has sinn off on other left wing ob edts before . She works as a politcal hack at the CDC.
Ever try to take fruit into CA?
Or out of it?
Just a bag of oranges...
/johnny
Cal is a total sanctuary state. Most of the sheriffs won’t report arrested illegals.
Everything is welcome, but fruit, as you stated. Even after an illegal kills someone, they are welcome and we can’t wait for the next one to come in.
I fully respect what you say and part of me wishes in certain matters I felt the states dealt with things of this magnitude appropriately....only time will tell
My 'State', a sovereign that came together with other States to create the Fed, is as big as France. We'll manage.
The Feds don't tell us how to deal with Typhoid, we just do it. Nature instructs us, and if we ignore it, we die.
Besides, the State politicians are handy, and so is rope.
DC is a long way away.
/johnny
How about the polio oubreaks in the '50s? Mostly local? Movie houses shut down? Locals?
Feds not involved at a detailed level.
You take your fears. I'll take the Constitution and History for a win.
/johnny
Right. Stop people and ask them questions on the interstate.
Do they have guards on every back road that crosses the border? Do they search every vehicle thoroughly enough to prevent somebody from smuggling an orange in? Are all mail and Fedex packages searched?
I think you’re confusing how irritating a policy is with how effective it might be. Just flew to the Bahamas today, so went through TSA, or as I call it, “security theater.”
Then the Bahamian Customs gal just waved me past. Turns out they’re generally lazy and do that most of the time.
I have some idea of what is required to stop transmission of a deadly and highly contagious disease. (BTW, Ebola is the second but is quite obviously not the first. Or there would be 5M or 50M dead people in West Africa, not 5,000.)
Stopping the spread of such a disease requires instant and ruthless application of the appropriate principles. No thought given to civil rights, political correctness or anything else.
If you don’t do that, you won’t stop the spread. Simple as that. There just is no such thing as “partly stopping” it.
The feds aren't going to do that. The States can't. Our last line of defence is the States. And you want to subjugate them to the Feds.
Let me know how that works out for you.
Some will slip through. It's up to the States to deal with them.
The Feds wouldn't make your scenario any better.
/johnny
Heads they win, and tails you lose.
The Democrats will see the advantage of totalitarian controls required for effective "public health measures to control the pandemic" and implement them without blinking an eye once the plague gets loose in NYC or DC.
Until then, they will continue to double down on the open borders idea and refuse to implement any sort of quarantine or travel restrictions.
No kidding. Self entitled little twit....a spoiled brat no doubt.
She is too young to remember the whooping cough out breaks, or polio wards, or chicken pox, or measles, or mumps or any other nasty disease outbreak. Frankly she should not have been allowed to come back in until she had cleared a quarantine outside the country (after all if you want to bring your pet to the states they are quarantined I think for six months before being allowed in)
Her arrogance is obvious. My own daughter who has been tapped at her hospital to be part of the severe infectious disease (read that ebola) response team has been told up front that if they end up treating someone they will NOT be allowed to leave the hospital during the treatment of the patient’s stay at the facility and that they can on being isolated their after wards until it is deemed safe to release them (up to an additional month).
SO miss thang, you ain’t all that you are a spoiled rich white gal working out your guilt issues by going to Africa. Don’t expect us to treat you like royalty when you come back
I’ve been involved in quarantine planning since 2001, and for any and all of us, Norman Siegel is our nightmare.
If we ever had a smallpox outbreak, he would need to be locked up.
And God forbid that we should criticize these elitist clowns when, upon their return, they act as if they are somehow entitled to exhibit a careless disregard for the health and well-being of their fellow Americans who are expected to shut up, genuflect and kiss their rings......
If these clowns think that they are going to get away with deploying the time they spent treating Ebola victims in Africa in the service of an even sicker progressive agenda here, they need to think again!!!
It was T.S. Eliot who once wrote in MURDER IN THE CATHEDRAL:
The last temptation is the greatest treason
To do the right thing for the wrong reason
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