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To: P-Marlowe
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Ok ... I'm not trying to be argumentative ... but ...

show me the text in the U.S. Constitution that "religious charitable corporations" (THE KEY, by the way) ...

cannot be taxed.



Maybe that's the confusion that some Free Republic Christians have about this issue.

The word "Corporation" is the KEY.



P-Marlow and Saved-by-Grace ... if we three decide to start a church (christian fellowship) and meet in our homes ...

and we never ask the IRS to use our gifts/tithes/offerings as deductions on our annual U.S. Federal Income Tax returns ...

THEN ... our "church" has complete political freedom ... and we can say, write, preach about ANYTHING we want.

Just like Jesus Christ did.



Unfortunately, 99-percent of American churches are legally classified as "charitable religious corporations".

That "corporate tatoo" is necessary if a church wants fire insurance for it's "church building" ... etc ...

However, if that "charitable religious corpration" wants to ALLOW its members to use their gifts/tithes/offerings as DEDUCTIONS on their annual U.S. Federal Tax Returns ...

then that "church" comes under the AUTHORITY of IRS 501-C3.

It's that's simple.



Remember the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees (in the time of Christ) that were TERRIFIED of offending Ceasar (Rome) ?

Why were they TERRIFIED of Rome ?

Money - Money - Money.

After all, ROME paid for the magnificent Temple in Jerusalem.

Do you think that Ceasar re-built the Jewish Temple just because he was "nice guy" ?

Hardly.

It was a "quid pro quo" arrangement (just like IRS 501-C3).

The Jewish people (Scribes and Pharisees) got a FREE Temple ...

Ceasar got (demanded) "obdeience".



Just like Uncle Sam demands "obedience" from all those tax-exempt Christian "religious charitable corporations" (churches).



Oh ... by the way ... when the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees finally demanded a free voice ... freedom ...

Ceasar burned Jerusalem, and the magnificent Temple (that Ceasar had paid for), and entire city ... to the ground in 70 AD.



Freedom comes as a "price", including, when you're a "Christian Church" ...

of paying your FULL TAXES demanded by Rome or Uncle Sam.



Jesus Christ CLEARLY understood this.

That why Jesus Christ COMMANDED Christians to "Render Unto Caesar !

Watch the YouTube video(s) .... and then pray hard.




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19 posted on 10/18/2014 9:17:41 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

The problem under Rome wasn’t tax status, it was totalitarianism. The church didn’t seek tax protection but they still wound up in the catacombs and being slaughtered for entertainment.

We have elected totalitarians into office, and somewhere around half of America favors it. Thats the problem. So, claim your tax deduction, or don’t claim it. The fight is coming. Get ready for it.

Pastors have already been jailed in Canada, Sweden, and Germany for opposing homosexuality publicly. I don’t think taxes had anything to do with it, its a much older war coming to the surface.


26 posted on 10/18/2014 9:30:09 AM PDT by marron
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Sorry, but there is a provision in the Constitution that exempts churches from any form of government control:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ... “

Taxes violate the free exercise provision because it sure as hell isn’t free if it is taxed.

As I said earlier, government does not have the power to bargain for rights in exchange for privileges.


28 posted on 10/18/2014 9:30:37 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Giving up tax exempt status is no freedom. You should know that.

As a side note, your post was almost unreadable. I had to force myself to wade through it all.


50 posted on 10/18/2014 10:32:44 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne; xzins; Mr Rogers; Dilbert San Diego; ForYourChildren; Paulie

If you think that these churches would be immune from government interference in their teachings and doctrines if they just surrendered their tax exempt status, then you are certifiably insane (with the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result).

These churches are not being attacked and singled out because they have tax exempt status. They are being attacked because they preach the gospel and the gospel is an affront to sinners.

These homo activists will not stop attacking churches if they give up their tax exempt status. Indeed they will double their efforts because they will believe (rightly so) that they have managed to win the battle on the way to winning the war.


56 posted on 10/18/2014 11:03:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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