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Texas AG: Sermon subpoena is unconstitutional
WorldMag ^ | October 16, 2014 | Andrew Branch

Posted on 10/16/2014 7:10:29 PM PDT by This Just In

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott on Wednesday called on Houston Mayor Annise Parker and City Attorney David Feldman to relent on subpoenas demanding pastors’ sermons and private communications.

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The mayors retribution will not silence Christians.
1 posted on 10/16/2014 7:10:29 PM PDT by This Just In
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Recall the wench!


2 posted on 10/16/2014 7:11:49 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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The issue is whether prohibition against state interference of free exercise is in the Texas Constitution, which it is almost certainly is.

Keep it at the state level. The feds have no constitutional right to interfere in this matter.


3 posted on 10/16/2014 7:14:49 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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The question is whether or not the pastors First Amendment rights are being violated. They most certainly are.


4 posted on 10/16/2014 7:19:39 PM PDT by This Just In
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If they are really interested in some scandalous talk, bug a mosque.


5 posted on 10/16/2014 7:22:46 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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A judge had to sign the papers. So they must be constitutional or the judge wouldn’t be fit for office?


6 posted on 10/16/2014 7:26:06 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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That’s okay, Parker uses the new “living Constitution” and it says that only liberals have rights.


7 posted on 10/16/2014 7:26:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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This has nothing to do with “scandalous” anything. The subpoenas were issue as a result of those particular pastors organizing a petition drive against a city ordinance which would allow transgender men to use women’s public restrooms. The mayor and attorney claim they are gathering evidence for the “discovery” phase of litigation when in fact this is nothing but retribution for the pastors actions.


8 posted on 10/16/2014 7:29:02 PM PDT by This Just In
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That idiot mayor probably just handed Abbott and the Republicans the election in Texas, and perhaps elsewhere.


9 posted on 10/16/2014 7:30:54 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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Fascism and statism... Terrible ideas that just keep coming back, because mankind is weak and lusts for power and control.


10 posted on 10/16/2014 7:35:24 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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‘Rats don’t care about the C


11 posted on 10/16/2014 7:35:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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True, with one more to add to this: mankind’s rejection of God.


12 posted on 10/16/2014 7:38:16 PM PDT by This Just In
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Now it is time for the state to start working a case for removing the judge who issued the subpoena from the bench.


13 posted on 10/16/2014 7:48:52 PM PDT by Revel
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Actually, the only thing the First Amendment does is PROHIBIT CONGRESS (the federal government) from interfering with things like free exercise.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The First Amendment is a PROHIBITION on the federal government, not a granter of power to enforce the First Amendment.

14 posted on 10/16/2014 7:49:33 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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The bulldyke of Houston against the churches of Texas...Gee I wonder who will win.


15 posted on 10/16/2014 7:50:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Easy, you read me wrong, I think the gay mayor is being retributive and should watch muslims more than Christians.


16 posted on 10/16/2014 7:53:12 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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Ok. I see. Franklly, the mayor shouldn’t be watching Christians at all. She should actually do her job rather than spend tax payers money in attacking people of faith.


17 posted on 10/16/2014 8:02:30 PM PDT by This Just In
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501 c3 organizations must forfeit their rights as organizations, to political speech in order to retain that IRS designation. If they tried to influence voting through their 501 C3 organizations, they would be in violation of their 501 C3 status, as I understand it.

When they are speaking as individuals OUTSIDE of their organizations, then the constitutional rights kick in to protect them as persons.

I don’t know how much actual profit a church actually has, and I’m talking about actual profit. If there is no actual profit (as a business defines profit), then the tax protection afforded by the 501 C3 designation could be moot. There would be no taxes. So, why then, would a non-profit business relinquish it’s freedom of speech and influence?

Churches/assemblies/synagogs are supposed to be salt, that is, it should flavor society, flavor it to be ‘righteous’ as God defines what HE thinks is righteous. The 501 C3 status has sufficiently squelched that influence, by restricting speech. I’m not sure if 501 C3 is truly ‘constitutional’ in spirit.

Due to the changes within society which are occurring, sentiments which go against obedience and worship of God, it could prove to be in the best interests of organizations calling themselves ministries of God, to relinquish the tax protection in favor of being a ministry of God, rather than an agent of the government to squelch speech which they (the government) are calling ‘political’ rather than social.

Politics is the art of changing minds while the church seeks to change minds through the spirit...BOTH are in the ‘same’ business. The ‘protections’ of 501 C3 in effect, squelches the ‘competition’.

Now, only the government can tell people what it thinks the people should think, or do. The proof is in the demand by the mayor, and the mayor’s attorney.

This is definitely an opportunity for the PEOPLE to tell those two individuals where the dog died.


18 posted on 10/16/2014 8:02:37 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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RECALL!!!!


19 posted on 10/16/2014 8:04:42 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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Agreed, and stop promoting her own screwed up agenda.

Every restroom a bathhouse indeed.


20 posted on 10/16/2014 8:05:32 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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