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BREAKING: Ferguson Grand Jury Witness May Have Just Turned Protestors’ Key Claim Upside Down
Western Journalism ^ | October 16, 2014 | Norvell Rose

Posted on 10/16/2014 9:42:03 AM PDT by walford

If he actually said to the grand jury what he told a St. Louis newspaper, this reported eyewitness to the shooting of Michael Brown may have just provided testimony that helps clear police officer Darren Wilson.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports today on its extensive interview with a man who says he testified before the Ferguson grand jury investigating whether Wilson should be indicted in the killing of Brown.

This man, says the newspaper article, claims that he saw first-hand something that would contradict what other so-called witnesses to the crime have insisted happened on that fateful day in August.

Some have said Brown raised his arms high in surrender, giving rise to a common protesters’ chant of “Hands up, don’t shoot” while mimicking the move. But this witness said Brown never put his hands straight up, but held his elbows straight out from his torso, with palms turned up in a sort of gesture of disbelief.

The chant of “hands up, don’t shoot” has become a favorite of Ferguson protestors and political activists who argue that officer Wilson shot Brown even though the unarmed teen was trying to give himself up.

This eyewitness account that Brown put his hands out to his sides but never raised them high, as reported by the Times-Dispatch, casts serious doubt on that critical aspect of the highly controversial incident.

And that’s not the only thing this supposed grand jury witness said that would call into question the arguments of those who say Brown was shot down in cold blood.

Again, from the Times-Dispatch interview with the self-identified eyewitness to the August shooting:

• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.

• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.

• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.

The Ferguson grand jury is expected to report its findings in about a month. If officer Wilson is not indicted, some protestors and agitators have threatened even greater violence, as noted by downtrend.com:

Now comes an interview with Black Panther Malik Zulu Shabazz on Fox News radio who called for a “black rebellion” if there is no indictment.

“The white media has not been fair to black people or black leaders,” he said, going on to claim the police was “murdering us.”

He claimed he is not calling for violence, but said he would not condemn it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: crime; ferguson; missouri; race
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To: skeeter

Exactly. That’s my experience with bullies, their demands and their agenda.
`Knock this chip off my shoulder’? All you can do is let the chips fall.
This race-baiting nonsense by the Shabazz’s, Als, Jesses is going to stop.


41 posted on 10/16/2014 11:18:46 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Beagle8U
Beagle8U:" Yeah, I thought it important for people to know what was really said, not the hype from WJ."

Good Call !!
Cudoes to you !
When I first went to the site, I saw only the first paragraph , and the rest was redacted .
When I reloaded , I saw the entire article.
What are you ,... a journalism major ?
Good "Snoop and Poop" effort.
Now the toughie : Have you seen or obtained a color photo of Officer Darren Wilson at the hospital ?
Many have called for it , but few, if any , have seen it.
Can you get a 'hot-link' to the photo ?
"Should you get captured , the agency will disavow you. This tape will self-destruct in 3 .2..1..sssss..ppppft !"

42 posted on 10/16/2014 11:23:52 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: walford
And he continues to wreak havoc in death

Let's not forget where Michael Brown's soul most probably is right now--writhing in the fires of Hell for eternity.

I would not wish one second of Hell on anyone, no matter what they did.

Having said that, I can imagine a Holy God and His anguish in seeing His Son die a horrible death on the Cross, and His unquenchable wrath when sinners reject Jesus and His sacrifice.

43 posted on 10/16/2014 11:25:28 AM PDT by jimbug
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To: walford
"...If officer Wilson is not indicted, some protestors and agitators have threatened even greater violence..."

Part of that "justice" thingy no doubt.

44 posted on 10/16/2014 11:37:42 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Beagle8U
The witness said Wilson didn't have to kill Brown and that "[w]hat transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.” That's a layman's conclusion.

However, the witness said it went down like this (summarizing from the article):

So, Brown came at Wilson three times after being told to stop, and one time after being shot (yes, Brown could have been staggering after first being shot).

The witness said "it went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye." Brown kept coming, in the blink of an eye.

How many times should Wilson backed up and yelled Stop!?

45 posted on 10/16/2014 11:38:53 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA

Who has seen the picture of the policeman after he was hit?


I haven’t. I remember a few passed around early but I am not sure if they were real.


46 posted on 10/16/2014 11:42:10 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Scoutmaster

How close were they to each other at that point?


47 posted on 10/16/2014 11:43:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; Beagle8U
If you're talking about this picture, it's a hoax.

The photo is of the late motocross racer, Jim McNeil. Here's what Darren Wilson looks like:

Here you go.

48 posted on 10/16/2014 11:50:30 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: 9YearLurker

According to the witness, “about” 20-25 feet apart.


49 posted on 10/16/2014 11:51:56 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

No, that Hosp photo is someone else, not Wilson.


50 posted on 10/16/2014 12:02:07 PM PDT by Beagle8U (If illegal aliens are undocumented immigrants, then shoplifters are undocumented customers.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks. That sounds like quite a bit, but it really takes very little time for a threat to close in from there.


51 posted on 10/16/2014 12:02:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Scoutmaster

The cop did exactly what he should have. My only point was that the original article didn’t say what the one posted did.

I don’t see that witness helping Wilson, unlike what WJ was saying in their story.


52 posted on 10/16/2014 12:06:39 PM PDT by Beagle8U (If illegal aliens are undocumented immigrants, then shoplifters are undocumented customers.)
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To: walford

“but remember which side the government is on in this issue.”

The government will have nothing to do with this, as anarchy it will be and all for one and one for all.

Me, I intend to protect my family forcefully, and I care not who is trying to knock down my door, neighbors, blacks, police, whatever. The will get their just desserts.


53 posted on 10/16/2014 12:18:27 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: arthurus

The Ferguson riots are not an insurrection. Liberal white participants think they are just helping their pets get more stuff. Those same will mostly get out of there if/when things get serious. A small number will join in and even become leaders.


It most certainly is not an “insurrection” if Rule of Law is to be replaced by force and intimidation with group politics by birth and/or political connection.

It is the same as the Leftist elites characterizing those who are fighting to replace democracy with tyranny as “rebels.”


54 posted on 10/16/2014 12:32:53 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: bestintxas

“The government will have nothing to do with this, as anarchy it will be and all for one and one for all.”


Do you think the government will stand idly by? Let’s remember who is POTUS and AG. They have already indicated that they will take sides and intervene based upon group identity, not Rule of Law.

And let us also remember that the media will continue to gloss over aggression by one side and exaggerate what the other side does in response.


Me, I intend to protect my family forcefully, and I care not who is trying to knock down my door, neighbors, blacks, police, whatever. The will get their just desserts.

Bear in mind how this plays out in practice: Whether it’s the police or law-abiding citizens, successful defense against aggressors born Designated Victims will result in retaliatory attacks upon the innocent.

For every aggressor shot, there will be many more old men, pregnant women, handicapped people and little kids killed or maimed in response.

It’s not a ‘crisis’ until the victims start fighting back.


55 posted on 10/16/2014 12:50:51 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: walford

Grand jury will not indict. A special prosecutor will be named who will indict.


56 posted on 10/16/2014 2:47:39 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (AGW-e is the climate "Domino Theory")
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To: Mike Darancette

“Grand jury will not indict. A special prosecutor [APPOINTED BY ERIC HOLDER OR SOMEBODY WORSE] will be named who will indict.”


57 posted on 10/16/2014 2:58:46 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Or possibly,

“What are you going to do, shoot me?”


58 posted on 10/16/2014 2:58:52 PM PDT by PRIMA FACIA LAW
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To: walford

Once they start shooting and destroying things, they are, indeed, rebels.


59 posted on 10/16/2014 9:00:36 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus

Whether or not they are “rebels” depends upon their objective, not if they resort to violence. One does not “rebel” against freedom in order to install tyranny.

A neutral term would be “combatant” I suppose.


60 posted on 10/17/2014 10:06:34 AM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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