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Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air
Breitbart ^ | 10/14/14 | Chriss W. Street

Posted on 10/14/2014 9:29:08 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: NELSON111
If you think about it logically (something the gov't isnt good at)...you have to ask yourself: WHY? We have a long history of Ebola outbreaks and the largest outbreak prior to this one was 280 in 1975. All outbreaks combined are less than 1/2 of the current estimate...which is said to be only 25-50% of the real number. So...WHAT has changed? Why is it different?

Because the previous "bad" outbreaks occurred in small, out of the way villages in Africa where travel was infrequent. It was almost self-quarantine or burned through the community and died off before it could spread outside of the community.

What's different is that it has entered into urban areas with large populations with lots of travel. There is nothing to stop it.

21 posted on 10/14/2014 10:01:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Nachum

If Ebola were to be classified as truly “airborne”, in the commonly used definition of an “airborne pathogen”, there would be MILLIONS already infected with %50 to %70 already dead.

It is not outside of the realm of possibility that Ebola “COULD” become a truly “airborne” pathogen, but at this point in time, there is absolutely NO proof that it has become so, and the plain and simple fact of the matter is, look at the numbers of infected that have been in close proximity to those not infected and extrapolate the transmissions and you can easily deduct the reality that it is not currently an “airborne pathogen”.

This isn’t rocket science. Use of simple logic along with the observed facts that are currently known will get you to the simple conclusion that it is NOT currently an “airborne pathogen”.


22 posted on 10/14/2014 10:01:45 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Nachum

Americans will pay a terrible and horrible price as Obama’s one world/ no borders ideology is implemented by faithful commissars such as Frieden and other acolytes in the Federal government.


23 posted on 10/14/2014 10:03:15 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 10/14/2014 10:04:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nachum
That's a horribly written article. I'm not saying that CIDRAP's actual communication was flawed -- probably wasn't -- but this guy/gal Chriss (who ever heard of two Ss in Chris?) confuses things and writes unclearly, particularly with respect to N95 respirators and surgical masks (surgical masks are meant to prevent infection of the patient).

Also, anyone with an ounce of sense in his brain knew from the beginning of Ebola awareness that in close contact (high-risk settings) you absolutely do want LEVEL 4 -type gear, including powered respirators. CDC certainly knew. N95s would be OK to walk by the room in the hallway outside.

25 posted on 10/14/2014 10:04:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: NELSON111

Why is it different?

Prior outbreaks were primarily in smaller towns and villages, and mortality around 90%. With that virility, the virus killed everyone and receded back into the bush.

This time it spread into the cities. More hosts, lower mortality, more “walking wounded,” exposed but not yet ill and able to travel.

Just wait till it hits the slums of New Delhi or Mexico City or Beijing or LA.


26 posted on 10/14/2014 10:08:34 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Pox
If Ebola were to be classified as truly “airborne”, in the commonly used definition of an “airborne pathogen”, there would be MILLIONS already infected with %50 to %70 already dead.

True, of course.

In an indoor, single-room, high-risk situation, it could be said to be "effectively airborne".

27 posted on 10/14/2014 10:08:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

Speculation, but I do understand your hypothesis.


28 posted on 10/14/2014 10:10:17 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

However, what happens in a place of business with a bad return air system and a person, unknowingly with Ebola coughs profusely? Yes, before you know it, that pariculate will be throughout that business. The CDC explanation of not being airborne is really an oxymoron, in todays society, when everybody goes to Starbucks, daily. Remember, people are still, possibly contagious, even when symptoms are not present. I know that it, technically not airborne, but it may still be in the air until it hits the ground, chair, toilet, sink, counter, knob or decor.


29 posted on 10/14/2014 10:11:11 PM PDT by mazz44
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To: mazz44

Pure speculation with no facts to backup your hypothesis.

Consider your hypothesis and then refer to the current situation and the actual numbers of those infected who actually were within range of the window of “possible infection”. If such a possibility was in fact reality, the numbers of those infected would be astonishing, but in fact the numbers of those infected are not corresponding to said hypothesis.

I’m not saying it’s out of the realm of possibility, I’m simply saying that the observations to this point do not correspond to such a hypothesis.


30 posted on 10/14/2014 10:17:56 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: GeronL

Stray and starving dogs who dig up Ebola infected corpses could become infected, but it is unproven, and a far stretch/leap for you to assume that our properly fed and cared for pets are infected, or are carriers of Ebola.

If you are willing to assume that, then you are in a state of panic, which doesn’t make you much better than those who would burn witches in Salem, Massachusetts a couple of centuries ago.

Might as well load up your shotgun, and start shooting every critter that you see - squirrels, crows, cats, dogs, rabbits, groundhogs, field mice, deer, cows, sheep, etc.

Chill out, stop with the nonsense, and think. Before they come carry you away!


31 posted on 10/14/2014 10:20:18 PM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: NELSON111

Why is this different than previous Ebola outbreaks?

Under Progressivism, we as a nation are much ‘kinder’ and more ‘humanitarian’. We welcome all points of view and do not believe anymore that anything sets us apart from our brothers in the Third World.

For this, thank your ‘religious’ leaders and ‘church councils’ more than anyone else.


32 posted on 10/14/2014 10:25:21 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: jacquej

I wouldn’t assume that mammals who come into “intimate” contact with the corpses of Ebola victims are not likely to be able to contract or spread the virus, but I would be very cautious due to the fact that so little is known as to how this virus affects different animals or insects in different ways.

We are very ignorant on how this virus propagates, but I don’t see any reason, at this time, to panic or cower in fear over this virus, but it would be a very good idea to keep abreast of developments and to educate ourselves to the level of knowledge we currently have available.


33 posted on 10/14/2014 10:26:02 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Only time will tell, as now it has been reported that incubation can be as long as 90 days, people that have been successfully treated can remain carriers and, maybe the reason it is more spread this time, is because people from the initial outbreak areas are more mobile and not as, “homely” as they once were. Granted as one gets closer to 90 days, the contagion becomes less reactive. It is still a possibility to remain aware of.


34 posted on 10/14/2014 10:33:07 PM PDT by mazz44
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You don’t get AIDs by coming into contact with surface moisture on an armrest left by someone else that is infected with it. You can with Ebola.

No you can't. Not unless you have broken skin at the point of contact and the "moisture" is very recent. Ebola virus isn't very robust and a few minutes away from a host kills it.

35 posted on 10/14/2014 10:33:16 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: mazz44

A lot of ifs, and a lot of unknowns, but I do not disagree with your post.


36 posted on 10/14/2014 10:34:50 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Nachum

Obama idea: Let’s send our military to the heart of Ebolaland, so they can bring something back to their families. Military families didn’t vote for him anyway.

Wouldn’t our soldiers rather wear moon suits in the tropical heat instead of saving Christians from beheading in Iraq?


37 posted on 10/14/2014 10:35:08 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: SunTzuWu

“As for being airborne, 30+ years of experience shows no sign of Ebola being airborne”

Wrong. Ebola Reston is indeed airborne.


38 posted on 10/14/2014 10:38:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: tumblindice

What will Martha Stewart suggest?


39 posted on 10/14/2014 10:38:24 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: SunTzuWu

You don’t know that.


40 posted on 10/14/2014 10:41:48 PM PDT by DB
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