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Purdue professor says Ebola 'primed' to go airborne
WRTV-TV ^ | October 12, 2014 | Tanya Spencer

Posted on 10/12/2014 11:07:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - The first case of Ebola transmitted between patients in America has experts across the country reviewing safety protocols.

At Purdue University, Dr. David Sanders has been studying the virus since 2003 – specifically how this particular Zaire strain of Ebola enters human cells.

While the virus has thus far only been shown to be transferred via bodily fluids, Sanders argues that it could become airborne.

"It can enter the lung from the airway side," Sanders said. "So this argues that Ebola is primed to have respiratory transmission.

"We need to be taking this into consideration," he continued. "What if? This is not a crazy, 'What if?' This is not a wild, 'What if?'"(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at theindychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aerosolized; africa; airbourneebola; bluenile; communicabledisease; ebola; ebolaoutbreak; econuts; indiana; pandemic; populationcontrol; professor; purdue; texas; virus; zaire
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hospital air condition vents?


21 posted on 10/13/2014 1:02:13 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: jocon307

The ebola virus is a master of mutation. If it hooks up with something from a flu virus and they exchange phone numbers, it could actually change the way it is transmitted.


22 posted on 10/13/2014 1:08:14 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many people would have to get Ebola to crash the medical system? How many Ebola patients to make a hospital or clinic unusable by other patients?

My gut tells me that if 100,000 people get Ebola, tens of millions would suddenly be without medical care, and many more than 100,000 would die fairly soon.

All according to the plans of Saudi agent Valerie Jarrett, of course.


23 posted on 10/13/2014 1:23:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/outbreaks/qaEbolaRestonPhilippines.htm

CDC would probably consider this source reputable (it is from the CDC itself).

“Evidence from prior outbreaks indicates that Ebola-Reston . . . During the outbreaks in U.S. monkey quarantine facilities in 1989 and 1990, there was transmission to animals in separate rooms that may have been due to small-particle aerosols; however, this mode of transmission has not been proven, and other possible explanations for these infections exist.”

It is at least possible that strains of Ebola are transmissible or can mutate to become transmissible at a long distance through the air. In any case, we know that Ebola can be transmitted between rooms in a lab where workers believe they are following protocols to prevent long-distance transmission.


24 posted on 10/13/2014 1:36:58 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Obola goes airborne. Females, minorities and LGBT hardest hit.


25 posted on 10/13/2014 2:07:13 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping...

A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread

26 posted on 10/13/2014 2:08:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Blue Jays

We can ride a bus or a train, sure. The liberals in this town drive Mercedes SUV’s. The down-market liberals drive Subaru’s. Two years ago the liberals who mostly live to the north of the city in the tony neighborhoods, attempted to close the two main East/West roads “to force people to use the bus.”

In the liberal world, it’s only the great unwashed masses who ride buses. There are darned few places outside New York and its environs where you can even take a train someplace. Yep, they’re connected to us fly-over people.


27 posted on 10/13/2014 3:21:47 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Ken H; 2ndDivisionVet; jocon307
"Go back and read who this professor is"

He has two items on his resume that gives him credibility.

First, experience in studying how viruses enter cells where they will reproduce. Apparently, ebola is very proficient in getting thru the cell wall. Z Mapp was developed as a result of another researcher's work in which he was using the ebola virus to inject genetic material into cells because ebola is very proficient at that. For more info on that, see the Nova broadcast last week entitled "Surviving Ebola".

Second, Sanders worked for the Defense Threat Reduction Agency and to understand the significance of that you have to go back to last month and read the Business Week article, "How the US Screwed Up the Fight Against Ebola".

28 posted on 10/13/2014 3:30:56 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Arthur McGowan
My gut tells me that if 100,000 people get Ebola, tens of millions would suddenly be without medical care,

More like 100 people with Ebola in winter. That's because the isolation wards will be filled with flu cases waiting for the Ebola test results (1-2 days). Those would be 99.9% flu.

29 posted on 10/13/2014 3:34:54 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But, he said, the danger is still very low for the average American.

People seem to be skipping over that part of the article. If (big if) Ebola goes airborne, it will be in the big petri dish in West Africa. Even if 1 in 1 billion mutations would make it airborne but still lethal (very generous assumption) it would take a million people getting infected to get a 1/1000 chance of that mutation.

Likewise it is basically impossible for that mutation to happen here with just a handful of infections. If it goes airborne (and still lethal) in Africa we will have plenty of warning because instead of their small increase (100 a day) in cases we would see thousands of new cases a day in the affected city over there quickly spreading from there. If Obama were to still be in power at that point, it would come over here in a planeload of infected passengers.

30 posted on 10/13/2014 3:40:44 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: lulu16
The potential for transmission via inhalation of aerosols, therefore, cannot be ruled out by the observed risk factors or our knowledge of the infection process. Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles

There's a big difference in droplets and aerosols (flosting viruses or viruses on dust or floating particles). Ebola only survives in droplets. That's why 46 passengers on the plane into Nigeria did not get infected but one woman died (sitting next to Sawyer) and the flight attendants who cleaned up his bloody vomit died.

31 posted on 10/13/2014 3:43:27 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: TigerClaws
At some point we may have to 'put down' the infected to save the rest of us

If that were the case, wouldn't the first step be to confine their movement? Teach them to care for their own, and supply the knowledge, medications, food, supplies etc so they can help each other in that zone. It cannot be stopped if it isn't contained.

Allowing people who seem to be healthy to leave that area and using our soldiers to do the care makes no sense. How is it going to be easier to fight a global disease than a disease that's mostly still confined to western Africa?

32 posted on 10/13/2014 3:50:01 AM PDT by grania
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To: palmer

I wonder what will happen if a person who has Ebola gets the flu. Will it worsen the symptoms, thus leading to more spread of infection?


33 posted on 10/13/2014 3:55:02 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Good question. The sneeze will spread saliva with Ebola virus in it. Sneezing is not normally typical in Ebola cases.


34 posted on 10/13/2014 4:03:17 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From Yesterday:

radu to BCW

From your link....
Someone pointed out that in medical terms, if the virus is transferred through tiny droplets in the air this would technically not be called an “airborne virus”. Airborne, in medical terms would mean that the virus has the ability to stay alive without a liquid carrier. On one hand this is a question of semantics, and the point is well taken, but keep in mind that the study did not officially determine how the virus traveled through the air, it merely established that it does travel through the air.

As far as I’m concerned, that’s airborne enough to do the job. To heck with their “technicalities”. This stuff is spreading far too fast to think otherwise, imho. ]

There seems this variety can survive in airborne particles.

The nurse in Spain and others early on where taking precautions - but no one was using a SCBA...seems this virus can survive and transmit from infected host to others nearby by hitching a ride on minute particles (coughing, sneezing, etc)

http://scgnews.com/ebola-what-youre-not-being-told

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20140802085653/http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/10/03/sneaky-cdc-changes-ebola-transmission-page-need-know/

Treatment/ Prevention:

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long

“She was treated with oral rehydration solution, vitamin C, intravenous calcium, and papaverine”

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/expert-answers/alternative-cancer-treatment/faq-20057968

http://www.naturalhealth365.com/natural_cures/ebola-virus-thomas-levy-1095.html

I would also throw in there as a prevention - probiotics - for a healthy gut! I’m not saying you can’t get any viruses - but way make it easy for it to take hold. A strong immune system will help one recover than one that is compromised.

It is “airborne” - but not in the “medical” definition sense.....


35 posted on 10/13/2014 4:06:59 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: grania; TigerClaws
That's essentially what they have done in Africa for the past few months. Take the ebola positive or suspected ebola and stick them in a big tent to sink or swim. Read the story here to get the idea: http://www.academia.edu/8376294/HOW_TO_SURVIVE_EBOLA_VIRUS_EBOLA_SURVIVAL_STORY
36 posted on 10/13/2014 4:10:10 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: BCW
I would also throw in there as a prevention - probiotics - for a healthy gut! I'm not saying you can't get any viruses

Health is good, but Ebola attacks the immune system. Healthy gut bacteria will mostly help against bad bacteria. To fight ebola you will need antivirals in your blood. Zinc is a good start.

37 posted on 10/13/2014 4:13:04 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: grania; TigerClaws; lulu16; Arthur McGowan; Ken H; jocon307; Ben Ficklin; Blue Jays; ...

See this post from yesterday...


38 posted on 10/13/2014 4:14:03 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WE are in the way


39 posted on 10/13/2014 4:14:11 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: grania; TigerClaws; lulu16; Arthur McGowan; Ken H; jocon307; Ben Ficklin; Blue Jays; ...

See this post from yesterday... Post #35


40 posted on 10/13/2014 4:14:50 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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