There is absolutely nothing to worry about! 
Posted on 10/12/2014 9:22:58 AM PDT by bestintxas
“Know of any hospitals that even have level 4?”
Not many re the following data:
‘No worries America. We have nineteen, 19 level four bio containment beds in America for
317,000,000 people.’
Makes one wonder how many beds at Bethesda Naval Hospital are level four bio containment to house or to protect members of congress and the outhouse thugs.
My sister is an OB nurse. She was double gloved in an emergency C section. During the procedure a hypodermic needle pierced both gloves. She was informed that the patient was HIV positive after the needle stick.
If the situation in Big D gets worse, I would tell my boss to set up video conferences, because I “ain’t” going to Dallas.
Black Agnes, I think we need these here now. Ebola patients should not be in our medical care facilities.
There is absolutely nothing to worry about!
Did she get HIV?
In the early eighties, many dentists used trophy angles (the rotating polishing tool) that were non-autoclavable. They were cheaper. They also used tips, rubber and brush type that were simply rinsed and dumped into cold sterile solution.
That kind of stuff has made me furious for decades.
In a civilized world, at a minimum, charges of reckless endangerment should be filed.
Doctors and nurses are a final line of defense against disease and illness, much like policemen are a defense line against lawlessness in the population.
Given their positions, their lives should be treated even more carefully than the average citizen.
And what about insects—bed mites, mosquitoes, house flies, roaches, etc?
Really what about bed mites—aren't they supposed to in everyone’s mattress?
Mosquitoes may be able to transmit ebola not necessarily like they transmit malaria—via their bites—but from getting an ebola victim's sweat on its feet and then placing the ebola virus on a healthy person's skin when it flies to a healthy person.
And even though the person's skin might protect it from the germs shed by the mosquito's feet, that person might get the germs on his fingers when touching the bitten area or when swatting at the mosquito, and from his fingers rub his eyes.
Might also by scratching the bite mark moving the germs into the bite.
All kinds of ways wearing protective clothing or maintaining a distance may not be 100% safe.
In our wonderland world of global free trade, which is impoverishing American workers while enriching the few who foisted free trade on us and strengthening foreign nations against us . . .
In this wonderful world of global free trade that has brought to America all manner of invasive species to destroy our crops, forests, fishes and other wild resources . . .
And after all the bedbugs free trade has brought us . . .
And after free trade put Mexican farmers out of business forcing them to invade the US for jobs picking fruit . . .
After all the wonders global free trade has brought us--you want them to close borders? Why, that's bad for business--we might have to make stuff in America again.
Nah. I hope they were incinerated.
No evidence thus far of infection. She just wrapped up 35 years in labor and delivery. Going part time as a lactation coach. Ready to retire.
Which is how we get sick people. That’s the real difference between level 2 biohazard procedures and level 4. Level 4 is a lot more forgiving than 2, you’ve got layers of protection, one mistake might not make it all the way through to.
But the MSF has lost people. One of the big things that holds down the people they lose is experience. These people go out to deal with multiple outbreaks of multiple things, they’re used to the protocols, they’re used to how to make the protocols work in the bush.
That’s not the best we can do. That’s the best we can do on short notice lacking the preferred equipment.
And yet with all that, 1 person. Really, stop panicking.
It already isn’t a suicide move. 1 person. You’re reaction is way out of proportion to the reality of the situation.
Probably none. Those things are ridiculously expensive and until you actually need one a complete waste of money.
“I am thinking not only removal, but prison time. “
Prison time is soft compared to what I think should happen.
A firing squad seems more to my liking.
How many nurses would you be OK with becoming infected, secondarily, before you institute better protection methods that don’t rely on being 100% perfect every second you’re with the patient and then taking off the gear?
1?
2?
5?
Do you have any idea how much it will cost to treat this one nurse?
Would have been cheaper to just buy the more expensive gear and install a portable hazmat shower in an antechamber by the time they’re done paying for her care and treatment.
Do you have any idea what the tort for these cases will cost the hospitals?
MSF has lost people. Not NEARLY as many as the other NGO’s treating the patients though. This outbreak is the first time, btw, that they have lost their own people to ebola infection.
They certainly didn’t lose anyone with the VERY FIRST CASE they treated.
And, for visual sake, let’s look at the difference in the gear:
US hospitals:
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/10/us_hospitals_ready_to_treat_eb.html
No decon shower before disrobing the PPE in the US.
MSF workers:
http://pulse.ng/news/disturbing-we-are-losing-battle-against-ebola-msf-reveals-id3101869.html
MSF gives a thorough washdown withe bleach solution prior to taking off the PPE.
Why is it, you haven’t explained yet, possible for an NGO to provide BETTER PPE and decon in the bush in the THIRD WORLD than WE are willing to provide OUR healthcare workers in the best healthcare system in the world?
I thought initially that hand sanitizer would work, but I recently heard a doctor say that it won’t help with Ebola. You might fend off some other germs with it, but not Ebola. He was supposedly an infectious disease doctor. Sorry I don’t remember his name, but it was on the radio.
I’d prefer none. I’d also prefer none get AIDS, or hep, or herpes, or any of the other myriad diseases they catch on the job. But we don’t live in prefer land, we live in reality. And in reality, as I already pointed out to you, nurses get diseases (often times even fatal diseases) from their patients all the time.
It might have been cheaper, but it wasn’t possible. If it was possible they’d have had the better equipment. You seem to have a hard time understanding that rather simple word: possible. If what you insist had to be done could have been done it would have been done. You need to wrap your head around that basic grim meathook part of life that sometimes you just can’t do it the way you want.
We have a HUGE country here, with 10s of thousands of hospitals and all of sudden 1 of them, with no prior warning that it would be them, had an ebola patient. So they did what they could, and it mostly worked. Unfortunately it didn’t entirely work. That’s life. It can suck.
But again, they have experience. They know the protocols, they know equipment, they HAVE the equipment which most places don’t, they NEED the equipment which most places don’t, they know the diseases.
You already posted those pictures. And all they’re really proving is that you don’t understand practical reality. Where was the hospital supposed to put the showers? How were they to know they’d need this equipment they NEVER had needed before and probably will NEVER need again?
I actually have explained it, multiple times. But you don’t want to hear the answer. You’re addicted to making this HUGE AND HORRIBLE AND A FAILURE, and you are quite simply wrong. You’re talking out of your ass about stuff you don’t understand and clearly have no room to consider practical reality.
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