Australian MH17 crash victim 'had time to put oxygen mask on', says Dutch foreign minister

Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 2014-10-10 | Barbara Miller

[FreeReign]

i knew he was from different country...

I don't usually like to point out typos and grammatical mistakes. I too make a bunch of them when typing really fast.

That said, I noticed that you left out the determiner "a" in your sentence when you were introducing the noun phrase, "different country". Russian speakers of English do that a lot. Are you Russian?

Just asking.

[donozark]

The crash site/crime scene was so bastardized/contaminated that I seriously doubt we will ever know the precise truth. Simply because the mask was wrapped around him, does not mean he put it on.

Depressurization, impact with hard objects (even runways-hard landings), turbulence, etc. will cause oxygen masks to drop. I've witnessed it first hand. Not pleasant. Normally accompanied by loud screaming and yelling...

[1rudeboy]

Yes, a conservative site. How about a source for your claim? And please try to learn what a strawman argument is.

[1rudeboy]

My favorite one is still the Russian claim that a SU-25 can fly at 33,000 feet.

[DTA]

>>>>>Yes, a conservative site. How about a source for your claim? And please try to learn what a strawman argument is.>>>>

Person 1 (DTA) asserts proposition X - recording media FROM ATC was confiscated by the agents of Ukraine security service and hidden from the international investigators.

Person 2 (1rudeboy) argues against a false but superficially similar proposition Y, as if that were an argument against Person 1's position - as if DTA claimed Black boxes were confiscated. Black boxes (flight recorders) and ATC recordings are totally diffferent objects in different locations.

it seems to me that Your Nazi kameraden should find someone more proficient to defend their hapless position.

[1rudeboy]

Person 1 (DTA) asserts proposition X - recording media FROM ATC was confiscated by the agents of Ukraine security service and hidden from the international investigators.

Person 2 (1rudeboy) cites that the cockpit voice recorder is sitting in Farnsworth, UK.

Person 2 (DTA) asserts that there is a difference that matters for an unknown reason, and repeats his unsourced claim.

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Of course, while a criminal investigation is ongoing.

[1rudeboy]

Maybe the “Kiev air traffic control” tapes will show the SU-25 pilot asking the Boeing 777 to reduce its altitude so that he may shoot it down. In a transmission that doesn’t appear on the cockpit voice recorder. By magic.

[DTA]

There is a difference between the recordings made by CVR in the cockpit and recordings made at ATC ON THE GROUND.

ICAO stipulates what conditions must be met for ATC recordings (voce, data, radar) and how long recordings must be kept

ICAO Document describing it and giving recommendations.

CVR records sound of what is happening in the cockpit as well as voice communication with ATC. It can not record ATC communication with other aircraft on other frequency, nor radar feed in ATC.

ICAO requeres that ATC recordings are kept for at least two weeks if there is no crash and as long as needed if there is a crash. KIEV ATC recordings were not given to the international investigative team. It has nothing do do with intact Black boxes (orange box on the picture) given to Investigators in U.K.

[1rudeboy]

And you still haven't explained why a recording of conversations between civilian ATC's on the ground, but not with MH17 are significant in any way.

[MikeinMotley]

“That said, I noticed that you left out the determiner “a” in your sentence when you were introducing the noun phrase, “different country”. Russian speakers of English do that a lot. Are you Russian?”

sorry but i don’t pay much attention to grammar. just like when i txt i make it short and sweet and make up my own abbreviations, as for being Russian? nah far from it! born, raised, and still in south central Virginia! never been out of the country!

Freguards~

Mike

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Don't pull the straw man here, because as you say, this is Conservative site, not DU.

You are not a conservative. You are a bootlicking Putinist too lazy to research his own claims to discover that they are old and disproved. I'm so sick of the BS myself that I do not even have the energy anymore to correct your raving.