Posted on 10/04/2014 6:26:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
NEW YORK (AP) — As same-sex marriage cases cascade through the federal courts, Republican politicians find themselves awkwardly split into three camps.
There's a small but growing number who favor legalizing gay marriage, a hard-core faction that continues to denounce it, and a sizable group in between that seems to wish the issue would disappear.
At one end of the spectrum, at least eight GOP members of Congress have endorsed same-sex marriage, and two openly gay GOP candidates for the House hope to join them.
In Massachusetts, Richard Tisei has run ads featuring his husband. In California, Carl DeMaio ran an ad showing him and his long-term partner in San Diego's gay-pride parade.
On the other flank, conservative Republicans in Congress have introduced legislation seeking to protect states from being forced to recognize same-sex marriages. One of those lawmakers is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a potential presidential contender who drew applause at a recent conservative gathering by saying, "We stand for marriage," and insisting that his party not shy away from "family values."
Then there's the large group in middle, not ready to embrace same-sex marriage but wary of antagonizing its supporters, including what polls suggest is a solid majority of Republicans under age 30.
Several GOP governors fit into this category, including Chris Christie of New Jersey, Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania, Susana Martinez of New Mexico and Brian Sandoval of Nevada. Each decided within the past year to back away from all-out legal fights against gay marriage.
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“Sadly, a great many American conservatives opposed the civil rights revolution of the 50s/60s.”
For many, it came down to not wanting to lose “freedom of association”. The CRA stripped that away from America, and it was wrong because of it.
The abortion cause was lost until we spent decades slowly changing minds. I’m a social conservative, and therefor want economic conservatism. But someone running on “lower taxes on the rich and cheap labor for me and my Senator buddies” isn’t going to get much enthusiasm from me.
An America that has become so degenerate, so depraved, as to embrace this vileness, is an America I’d no longer see as worth preserving.
What people supporting this debasement of marriage seems to be buying is a fundamental lie about the nature of marriage.
Unfortunately that means Marriage is already dead to them, and this is a basic reality we have been dealing with sense the 1960, as more and more of our population is led by Hollywood and Pop-Culture into a rather pointless understanding of the institution.
Diverse rates are high and marriage rates are dropping because real marriage is forgotten and for all intensive proposes only exist among a fraction of those declaring themselves married.
Marriage is already dead for most of us, its up to those of us that remain to reshape and return to that institution that has until this point served our species faithfully sense the dawn of time.
Just remember, in real marriage there is no divorce. Your not a party to this union because it feels good, your there because you committed under God to form a family for life with that that man or woman. That is not a union that just ends when you stop feeling passion, or having fun with it, and its not about you.
Theses are things rejected by Sodomites as a life style choice, yet they want the name, not for themselves but to hurt and legitimize OUR commitments. By lying to the world that they made the same, when in fact they never did and never would by nature. At least in their case we know their lying by the most obvious proof the gender of their partner. Can you say the same of many Hollywood types?
We can rebuild marriage, but unfortunately we got to start by recognizing our numbers and teaching people what it is to be truly married again. Indeed after 50 years of redefinition this original meaningful concept is now so alien to our culture we will have to reintroduce it at something else with strict requirements.
If I may be frank with you, I don’t really care. If America is to become Sodom and Gomorrah then it will be destroyed one way or the other.
You simply can’t sustain a population and culture built around celebrating feel-good self-destruction. There is grossly inadaquit procreation, defense, and cultural stability. Simply put the ‘civilization’ that follow this path won’t exist long.
So why bother defending that which is already dead and walking?
The point is you loses this fight everywhere and there are no other issues. Its just surial seeing to it that your personal kin survive into the next civilization, and insolently they won’t if they learn to accept and embrace this kind of sinful debauchery.
I won’t bother explaining that which is not particularly difficult to imagine, except to point out that over a few generations you will have fewer and fewer dependence until there are none left to carry on your line, and thus the civilization is dead along with everyone that follows this evil.
I am therefore of the opinion in the interest of avoiding a wast of the earth’s valuable time and resources that such a civilization is not worth defending if it cannot or will not change into something that can sustain itself.
Its time for Culture War II, since we have lost we have lost Culture War I. How did we lose it? By giving ground to our opponents. Compromise. Caving in. “Its not an important issue” mentality. That’s how we lost. How can we win a culture war by giving up on important moral issues like life and marriage? We can’t. If America is lost,its because we “live and let live” a depraved crowd who won’t let *us* live.
Exactly.
” I’m a social conservative, and therefor want economic conservatism. But someone running on “lower taxes on the rich and cheap labor for me and my Senator buddies” isn’t going to get much enthusiasm from me.
Bingo!
What those that advocate on giving in to the Queer agenda, the abortion issue, or gun control, fail to understand is there is a huge swath of conservatives that only vote Republican based on those three issues.
They also tend to fall into the same wing of the Republican base, and they vote based on all three of those issues.
Toss any one of those planks from the platform and you will lose at the very least 1/3 of your voters.
A big percentage of them are blue collar voters that without the support for those issues, they would tell NE liberal Republicans to shove their big business fiscal issues so far up their ass they would never find them again!
My guess is the majority of the advocates of accepting the queer agenda live in the NE, or craphole big cities. They are surrounded by sodomites and don’t see it as a problem.
They don’t hunt or shoot, to them the 2nd amendment isn’t a big deal. They think gun control might reduce crime.
They look at abortion as a way to keep the welfare class population down, that helps lower taxes. They are secure in their gated communities and guarded high rise condo.
Taxes, fiscal issues, and business regulations is the only thing that separates them from liberal Demonrats.
They better rethink their politics, because they committing political suicide!
IOW, mostly TV, movies and music. Those media have been almost entirely abandoned by conservatives for at least four decades.
Do I think it's a good thing that these are the primary transmission belts for our culture? I certainly don't. But that doesn't change because I don't like it.
In a democratic society, the government exists to give the people what they want. So the only really important question in politics and society is, "What do the people want?"
That is not affected by laws or argument.
As an example, Will and Grace and hundreds of TV shows and movies over the last few decades with lovable and cuddly gay characters, contrasted with ugly, bigoted and unpleasant ant-gay characters, had infinitely more to do with the loss of the gay marriage fight than any article, evidence or argumentation.
Much less laws or referenda. A Culture War must be fought in the Culture, not in legislatures or courts.
I don’t disagree. However, conservatives should have been leading the fight for civil rights, not fighting a rear-guard action against them. Had they done so, it is at least possible freedom of association could have been somewhat better protected.
Conservatives DID fight for civil rights, particularly outside the south. Many opposed the Civil Rights Act, as I still do, because it eliminates an important freedom and has done great harm to our country. A person SHOULD have the right to dislike someone and refuse to do business with that other person. Homosexual activists ought to have every right to refuse to bake cakes for heterosexuals getting married, if they believe heterosexual marriage is evil.
” Conservatives abandoned the battle for the culture at least 4 decades ago.”
Really? Where have you been for the last 40 years?
Almost true. But that is not the case here because the liberals have used the law to further moral decline. In fact, the OP is a matter of law. Most of the country doesn't want gay marriage - the laws on the books in a few states are being forced down the throats of the rest by way of reciprocity.
Probably still true. If you mean would a referendum pass in most states.
However, 10 years ago such a referendum would have been defeated by 75%+. Today by 51%. Five years from now it would probably pass in most states.
The turnaround on this issue is the fastest I've ever seen. What I'm talking about is the trend , not necessarily the present snapshot in time. When the trend is that you are rapidly losing support, and there is good evidence that trend is increasing, not slowing down, then your cause is toast.
What this shows to me is that the majority of those opposed were opposed because they were going along with what they saw as "normal." Now that "normal" has been redefined to the opposite, they're equally happy to go along with that.
Do you seriously contend that conservatives have produced a lot of movies, TV shows and music in the last 40 years that provided an entertaining alternative to the nihilistic filth produced by liberals?
MO, NM, CO, MT, ID, FL, VA, CA, FL.
Arguably a pretty fair cross-section of America. :)
I agree that TV,movies,music etc. are part of the culture war. But I still believe that politics and society itself are also battle fronts in this war. Our society is awash in an anti-life and pro-pervert mentality in large measure due to both Hollywood’s and political propaganda’s vile influence. As I said before, the “live and let live” mentality is directed toward a depraved crowd that won’t let *us* live.
To clarify my last point, we aren’t fighting this to win elections or proper economically. We are fighting this self-destructive ideology to protect our families in an effort to isolate ourselves and them from this poison that will otherwise kill us and our kin over the generations of demographic decline and failure this way of life all but guarantees.
True marriage as it meant 200 or even 100 years ago is the foundation for any and all civilizations and families sustaining themselves. It is to be practical a division of labor by which the wife can be freed to produce the ‘large’ families required for the future in the game of life, and that those families may be secure enough in their financial and moral position as to become stable and productive members of a resulting equally secure and moral civilization.
If you doubt the value of sustaining a father look no further than the instability produced in the black community by such family collapse.
If you doubt the value of having a ‘large’ family (more than 2-3 kids) look no further than the demographic decline and cultural replacement of Europe and parts of these united States.
Our Civilization is dying because theses key values have been dying for 50 years, and it all comes down to one simple idea. People decided living according to what is most pleasurable and least difficult was more important than taking on the hard work of sticking to and raising a ‘large’ family. As a result demographically speaking European civilization will not be the same European civilization now in place 50 years from now.
I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t fight back. I’m arguing that we have for 40 years been ignoring the crucial battlefield.
Sort of like looking for your car keys under the streetlight because that’s where you can see what you’re doing, instead of over in the ditch where the keys actually are.
My disagreement is with regard to methods that are likely to be effective, not over whether the fight should be fought.
Is this fan fiction? LOL
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