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National Review Writer: Women Who Have Abortions Should Be Hanged
Talking Points Memo ^ | Tue Sep 30 2014

Posted on 09/30/2014 1:18:59 PM PDT by presidio9

Kevin Williamson, a correspondent for National Review, suggested Monday that women who have abortions should be hanged.

Williamson's tweet came in a back-and-forth on twitter that started with Williamson's piece criticizing a blog post by actress and director Lena Dunham on why women should vote.

The key part of the exchange was captured by Charles Johnson of the blog Little Green Footballs. Here is the exchange:

(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; kevinwilliamson; littlegreenfootballs; moralabsolutes; nationalreview; prolife; roevswade
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To: Sherman Logan
Though, imo, anybody who believes execution of a convicted murderer is itself murder is an idiot. One can be opposed to capital punishment without holding to such an absurd position.

Say "killing" then -- and allow for inevitable rhetorical excesses.

As I said, it's not my position and I'm not really familiar with the rhetorical nuances, but objections to capital punishment are certainly something that Williamson should have been aware of.

81 posted on 09/30/2014 4:35:20 PM PDT by x
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To: presidio9
You don't want to get into stupid twitter wars. You can't really "win" them, you just give people a chance to take you down.

I'd have thought KW knew that. But it can be tiring to churn out polemics day after day. Sooner or later it takes its toll.

I notice that Kevin Williamson is for marijuana legalization, maybe that could have something to do with his getting into scrapes like this.

82 posted on 09/30/2014 4:37:24 PM PDT by x
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, there is some idiocy in pacifism. But mostly heresy.


83 posted on 09/30/2014 4:39:00 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: I want the USA back
Now the democrats will use this in their “Republican war on women” crap.

No problem. Counter with "It's for the children". See how they respond to that.

84 posted on 09/30/2014 4:42:42 PM PDT by Ez2BRepub
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To: Morgana

Women who have abortions should be prayed for.

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As the trap is sprung.........


85 posted on 09/30/2014 4:49:25 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: x

I don’t he is unfamiliar with the idea that some people don’t believe capital punishment should be used.

He believes abortion is murder, and that the appropriate punishment for murder is execution, and carries these two beliefs to their logical conclusion.


86 posted on 09/30/2014 4:55:06 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: x
I notice that Kevin Williamson is for marijuana legalization, maybe that could have something to do with his getting into scrapes like this.

I'm not surprised. Look: There are a lot of libertarians that I respect, but the libertarian mindset lends itself to this sort of stupidity.

87 posted on 09/30/2014 4:55:22 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Don’t make too much of it. It doesn’t help.


88 posted on 09/30/2014 5:03:00 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Responsibility2nd

If a doctor kills his patients, he’s no doctor. He killed someone on purpose. The mom and DAD...are abetting in the crime. However, the Supremes decided it is a good thing for people to kill babies and that’s the earthly law for now. God’s law is not changed, and I feel sorry for unrepentant abortionist parents and “doctors.”


89 posted on 09/30/2014 5:03:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: cornelis

Look at the 2012 presidential election. Do you suppose that Todd Akin’s comment about “legitimate rape” in a Missouri House race might have helped Obama win reelection? I do. The Democrats certainly did.

Obama won the male vote by one point in 2008, and lost it by seven in 2012. The female vote was unchanged from +13% to +11%. How else do you account for that?


90 posted on 09/30/2014 5:18:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Ordinarily the enactment of statutes criminalizing the mother as well as the abortionist was to compel the mother's testimony against the abortionist, helping to imprison the abortionist lest the aborting mother be imprisoned. This makes a great deal of sense in the context of the criminal justice system.

The problem today would be, even if we could bring back those statutes, we would have substantial difficulty empaneling a jury that would convict your garden variety abortionist (i.e. other than the likes of "Dr." Gosnell) since abortion has infamously and, with absolutely NO constitutional pretext. been claimed to be the right of any pregnant woman since Herod Blackmun's Roe vs. Wade decision.

Fortunately, there is an alternative. Go to civil court and obtain an injunction against the abortionist plying his grisly trade any longer. Hold him/her in contempt when he/she has been found to have violated the injunction. Repeat as necessary. He/she serves life on the installment plan. Do this often enough and consistently enough and the public mindset changes. In a few decades, criminal jury trials may be effective again. Of course, Roe vs. Wade and its evil spawn will have to be overturned first.

As Ralph Waldo Emerson famously observed in 1830: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

"If abortion is murder then the mother is one of the murderers." True enough. OTOH, our criminal courts have always used "prosecutorial discretion" to allow the prosecutor to pick and choose those to be charged and tried and punished if convicted. Waste no tears or emotion as to the paid trained "professional" killer of the unborn who makes a fancy living turning infants into hamburger. Collect the fee, apply the curettes and suction machine and "away goes trouble, down the drain."

The State of Illinois does not provide for capital punishment (except for the babies and a few unfortunate mothers). That is true of many other states. Sentence abortionists to life (at least) in prison without possibility of parole while letting the mother go her way after testifying against Dr. Death and his staff of co-conspirators. Where do I sign up??? That's the position I come to.

91 posted on 09/30/2014 5:30:35 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Sherman Logan; Morgana; presidio9; markomalley; Dr. Sivana; Fester Chugabrew; trisham; SkyDancer; ..

The hitman is certainly a killer and deserves to pay the consequences of his profession. Unless there is a policy reason to drop the charges against you, such as your testimony is necessary to convicting the hitman, I see no reason why you ought be treated as other than a co-conspirator. This is particularly true if, you are eagerly anticipating life insurance proceeds. Or double indemnity. Or to inherit her estate.


92 posted on 09/30/2014 5:48:53 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: NorthMountain

Affirmative! I so support the death penalty as a deferent. Otherwise I favor torture for certain heinous crimes.


93 posted on 09/30/2014 5:51:01 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Tagline deleted at the request of an offended FReeper.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Did you know that there were Nazi doctors who were prosecuted at Nuremburg for aborting Jewish infants? The court defined abortion as a crime against humanity. I don’t have a link but the historical research was done by History Professor John Hunt of St. Joseph’s College in West Hartford, Connecticut which, despite the name of the college, is none too Catholic but John Hunt is/was.


94 posted on 09/30/2014 5:56:10 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Morgana

Precisely!


95 posted on 09/30/2014 6:14:19 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Morgana

>> Women who have abortions should be prayed for.

No doubt.

What should be affirmed preemptively, however, is that nascent life is not just disposable tissue — a lie advanced by the Progressive population-control crowd.


96 posted on 09/30/2014 7:43:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SoConPubbie
So what about those who murder a human being outside of the womb who use the same excuse?

There is no "excuse." There is the practice of law which attempts to render justice, but is deeply flawed on account of weakness we altogether cannot excuse before the Creator. The State should take seriously its authority to protect innocent life. But it has been corrupted. Nothing new.

The sword, born properly, will redound to peaceful life both here and in eternity. Those who abuse it, whether by abortion, thievery, or slander will face an end worse than death. It is these for whom prayer issues forth. The souls of every innocent slain child will be on the balance of judgment against those who willfully persist in evil. The Creator's earnest concern is that none of those descended from Adam and Eve be counted among them.

There are those who enter into labor in the vineyard at the last hour, who are not to be begrudged grace, but welcomed insofar as the Creator is incarnate in Christ, crucified and risen from the dead. The heart and mind of the Creator are steadfastly fixed on repentance and faith to the extent He took the form of a servant and was crucified in order to exchange our sin for His righteousness.

Foolish as it may appear to the world, no mother who aborts a child, or doctor who performs an abortion, is left out of this atonement, and so all are subject to hearing about it that they might repent and be saved. As to when and where this grace is preached and received, that is the Holy Spirit's work, not ours. Being creatures, who are we to discern or tell the Creator how and when to act? We only know what He has said and done, and it is very good.

But we live in reality, and so it may happen that the State applies corporal penalties to the practitioners of abortion, just as it does to the practitioners of murder and thievery. It is incumbent upon the State to protect innocent life.

The evil one will do all in his power to murder, and so usurps the State to his ends, and also wreaks havoc in the Church. But he is crushed and dismembered because Christ has made atonement for all sin, and He has defeated death by His resurrection, as attested by history. The evil one steps on his dick day and night, while the angels rejoice over such a great salvation rendered on behalf of poor, miserable sinners.

97 posted on 09/30/2014 8:54:21 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: BlackElk

While you and I have crossed paths negatively in the distant past, on this point I concur, that justice requires a voice to be given to the innocent, and that penalties be meted out for “the hit man” as you say. Will also iterate again that anyone who advocates for abortion should NEVER be elected to public office. It totally cuts against the grain of civility and good order.


98 posted on 09/30/2014 9:02:47 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: presidio9

Killing the mothers accomplishes nothing.


99 posted on 09/30/2014 9:22:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presidio9

He is one of a few good writers remaining at National Review, which, of course, will chicken out and can him as it canned so many others who knew a thing or two about free speech.


100 posted on 09/30/2014 9:42:42 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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