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Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa?
The Root ^ | September 22, 2014 | Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

Posted on 09/27/2014 12:46:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Dilbert San Diego

Gates is offended Lincoln offered paid passage to Liberia or South America.

To him, it’s all about getting rid of blacks.

When I read this story, years ago and with Gates commentary, I understood Lincoln to be offering an array of options they might consider and it would cost them little out of pocket.

Gates colors outside the lines and divorced from reality, once again, as he continues his synthetic grievances.


21 posted on 09/27/2014 1:24:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: ruesrose

I thought that was Liberia.


22 posted on 09/27/2014 1:27:22 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If someone offered me my own country on a tropical coastline, to be populated by me and like-minded people of whatever race, I’d have to consider it.

I wouldn’t complain about the injustice of it.


23 posted on 09/27/2014 1:28:24 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Was Abraham Lincoln Actually a Woman?
24 posted on 09/27/2014 1:29:12 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ruesrose

You sure you aren’t thinking of Liberia?


25 posted on 09/27/2014 1:29:14 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino; ruesrose; EEGator

Per Wikipedia, the Brits sent slaves they freed from illegal slave ships, as well as blacks from America who fought on their side during the American Revolution, as well as blacks from various other places, Canada, London, etc.


26 posted on 09/27/2014 1:32:25 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well Gates, it might be interesting to put this “return” to a national vote...today. Do you feel lucky, Mr. Gates? Well, do you?

I am not wanting to sound racist, I simply want people to be happy. Imagine how pleased some of these folks would be to finally be living in what they see as their homeland and no longer having to put up with the country and the people they hate so much.

So Gates, the white man screwed up, lets fix that and help to get you home, where you and racist - American hating people, like you, belong.

Happy, happy, happy.....


27 posted on 09/27/2014 1:36:23 PM PDT by Gator113 ( Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Mike Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: dinodino

You sure you aren’t thinking of Liberia?

Check it out on wikipedia. Liberia may have been as well. I know about Sierra Leone as I have a friend from there. She is very proud to be descended from one of those freed slaves who settled the country.


28 posted on 09/27/2014 1:38:01 PM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: Bettyprob
Both statements have merit, whether Lincoln said them or not. However, it can be argued that legalized intermarriage would have buffered the conflicts caused by the radical segregation policies of both North and South. by creating a sizable class of “coloreds” with property rights.
29 posted on 09/27/2014 1:42:52 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: marron

Pretty much what I was going to say. Thanks.

Lincoln proposed something and asked for volunteers. Yet Gates presents this as some sort of racist compulsion. AFAIK, Lincoln never once proposed making colonization compulsory. The same, unfortunately, cannot be said of various other proponents of colonization such as Jefferson.

I’d also like Gates, or anybody else, to point to a single statement Lincoln made in this sales pitch that wasn’t 100% true at the time, and indeed that continues to be true to this day.


30 posted on 09/27/2014 1:48:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Sierra Leone was the British version of Liberia. Most of the slaves freed by USN and RN anti-slavery patrols were sent to these respective areas. Mostly because nobody knew how to get the slaves back to their original homes, which had often been destroyed in the slave raids anyway.


31 posted on 09/27/2014 1:50:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There they go trying to claim Lincoln as a Democrat, again!


32 posted on 09/27/2014 2:04:26 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Recollecting what I think I was taught in private grade school, Lincoln wanted the slaves to move to and form a country in liberia.


33 posted on 09/27/2014 2:04:30 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Criticize, marginalize, demonize, criminalize.)
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To: Sherman Logan

If Lincoln was a racist for wondering if blacks wanted to go back to Africa, then so was Marcus Garvey.


34 posted on 09/27/2014 2:06:45 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"The African country of Liberia was started as a country for freed American slaves, wasn’t it?"

Yes, and the original capitol of Monrovia was named after President James Monroe.

35 posted on 09/27/2014 2:07:20 PM PDT by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: Usagi_yo

Liberia already existed, from the early 1800s. But, yes, I think that was one of his ideas was to return them to Africa. At the time it probably seemed like a good idea. As it turned out, the post-war south was not a happy place for the former slaves, so an expanded Liberia, had it been backed by some investment, might not have been such a bad idea.


36 posted on 09/27/2014 2:07:48 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even after making good on his ultimatum to the South in the final Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln supported one black minister’s Liberian plan while funding another venture to Ile a Vache, off Haiti, which quickly turned into a humanitarian crisis when the contracted agent, Bernard Kock, made himself “governor” and swindled the 450 black men and women he had conscripted from Fort Monroe, Va., or Freedom’s Fort, you’ll remember. Instead of building them houses, Foner writes, Kock purchased shackles for their further oppression—planting cotton outside the country.

At minimum, this is a very one-sided portrayal of this fascinating episode.

Though accounts vary, Kock appears to have been a sincere man left high and dry by his investors and the US government, neither of which followed through on their commitments.

In particular, Gates states the colonists were forced into this venture. AFAIK this is just not true. In fact, the expedition had an overabundance of volunteers who competed for space on the ship.

Here's an interesting article by one of BK's descendants.

http://thompsongenealogy.com/2011/12/bernard-kock-colonized-cow-island-with-freed-slaves/

Here's another article, from NYT, that paints a less flattering picture of BK.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2014/09/lincoln_s_back_to_africa_solution.5.html

37 posted on 09/27/2014 2:10:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: marron

There was investment in Liberia. I was just reading up on it.


38 posted on 09/27/2014 2:10:09 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Criticize, marginalize, demonize, criminalize.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I knew Fredrick Douglas. Fredrick Douglas was a friend of mine. Professor Gates ain’t no Fredrick Douglas”.


39 posted on 09/27/2014 2:14:09 PM PDT by HandyDandy (After such knowledge, what forgiveness? T.S. Eliot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Presenting the option to return would have been wise.


40 posted on 09/27/2014 2:47:10 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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