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Two arrested in connection with protests of 'black mass' in Oklahoma City (Joan Andrews Bell!)
NewsOK ^ | September 22, 2014 | DARLA SLIPKE

Posted on 09/25/2014 3:53:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

A woman — later identified as Joan Andrews — is arrested Sunday after refusing to leave the entrance to the “black mass” on the north side of Civic Center Music Hall during the event in Oklahoma City .

Two people were arrested in connection with protests outside of Sunday’s “black mass” in downtown Oklahoma City, and police received a bomb threat tied to the event, authorities said Monday.About 42 people attended the satanic ritual at the Civic Center Music Hall. Meanwhile, hundreds of people gathered outside the venue to decry the ritual being held inside. Despite a couple of arrests and the bomb threat, police said there were no major incidents associated with the black mass.

David Grisham, 53, of Texas, was arrested on complaints of disorderly conduct and failure to obey a fire or police official, which are both municipal charges.

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Joan Andrews, 66, who police think is from Pennsylvania, was arrested on complaints of trespassing and interfering with official process, which are misdemeanor municipal charges.

Police said Andrews was kneeling by the building, apparently praying for the group inside. She did not have a ticket to be on the property, and police said she refused to leave when authorities asked her to.

Police said Andrews told authorities her name was Joan Bell, but she would not give them any additional information. She said her religion would not allow her to cooperate with a city that allowed Satan to be worshiped, police said.

Police said they think Andrews is a habitual protester who has been arrested more than 200 times.

A 1998 article published in the National Catholic Register talks about a woman named Joan Andrews Bell who had been arrested more than 200 times, including a 1985 arrest in a trespassing incident at a Pittsburgh abortion clinic.

An article posted on CatholicCulture.org mentions that a woman named Joan Andrews Bell and another individual barricaded themselves inside an examination room in the Women’s Health Services clinic. Andrews reportedly broke sterile seals while the other person plastered the walls with anti-abortion stickers, and they prayed together. They refused to leave and were arrested, the article states.

It is not clear whether that is the same Andrews who was arrested Sunday in Oklahoma City.

The woman who was arrested Sunday in Oklahoma City was being held in Oklahoma County jail on a $987 bond. She remained there Monday afternoon, Davis said. He added that Andrews would be eligible for release on her own recognizance if she hadn’t made bond yet after 24 hours, which would be in the early morning hours Tuesday.

Interfering with official process is a higher misdemeanor than Grisham’s offense, so Andrews will have to go to court, Davis said. A court date had not yet been assigned for her as of Monday afternoon, and Andrews could face the possibility of up to six months in jail, Davis said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; joanbell; sacrilege; satan
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To: AppyPappy

Who said they don’t think it’s real? Of course they do. Satanists are NOT atheists. They believe in God, but they hate him. They believe in the Real Presence, but they hate Christ.


21 posted on 09/25/2014 11:52:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

: ) God bless her.


22 posted on 09/25/2014 11:54:26 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: BlackElk

Archbishop Roach, in 1984, appeared with Walter Mondale in public. He gave Mondale a big hug, saying, “This is the real pro-life candidate. He’s against nuclear war.”

BTW:

Here’s a 21-second video that explains what was going on at Notre Dame: http://tinyurl.com/southbendscandal


23 posted on 09/25/2014 11:55:22 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

; )


24 posted on 09/25/2014 11:55:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes. As do demons in hell.


25 posted on 09/26/2014 5:10:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

So Transubstantiation is only practiced by Catholics and Satanists.

Weird.


26 posted on 09/26/2014 5:34:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: AppyPappy
Only practiced by Catholics. Satanists have to steal the Blessed Sacrament from us if they want to do the full sacrilege thing. It's the "best" way they can show contempt for God.

That, and abortion.

27 posted on 09/26/2014 6:46:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

First, no one in the United States has ‘alleged rights’. We all have the same rights and no one has more or less rights than anyone else.

Second, if I organize a loud and illegal protest outside of a Catholic church on Sunday would you agree that I’d be interfering with the right of the Catholic parishioners to worship in peace and quiet without an illegal distraction?

Because, you see, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If the atheists (who IMHO are pretending to be satanists) now stage a counter-protest at a Catholic church then Catholics won’t have much to complain about without being exposed and denounced as hypocrites.


28 posted on 09/26/2014 12:19:06 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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To: BlackElk
When priests took over in Rockford, IL, with exorcism prayers, then the unfolding of the abortion clinic took place:
Catholic World News - February 20, 2012

For decades, local Catholics had maintained a prayerful presence outside an abortion clinic in Rockford, Illinois, but the clinic remained open.

According to Kevin Rilott of the Rockford Pro-Life Initiative, the tide began to turn in 2009 when Bishop Thomas Doran granted priests permission to recite prayers of exorcism outside the Northern Illinois Women’s Center. At times, four priests would stand outside the four corners of the building and recite the prayers together.

“Within two to three weeks of priests saying these prayers, the number of abortions began to drop,” said Rilott. “Over a few months, the number of abortions was cut in half and the numbers of women seeking our help probably doubled. The clinic, which had been performing 25-75 abortions a week for years, also reduced its days of business from three to two.”

In late 2011, the State of Illinois temporarily suspended the clinic’s license; in January, the clinic announced that it would not reopen its doors.
I'm in the same camp as Fr. John A. Hardon (and Mother Teresa, see tagline):

"We are only channels of grace to others in the measure that we are possessed of God’s grace ourselves. Let me repeat in the clearest words in my disposal. I would restate our thesis in two propositions.
29 posted on 09/26/2014 1:20:57 PM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: MeganC
We may have a misunderstanding here, but citing a few details might clear it up. There were three distinguishable and separate protests at this Satanic Black Mass:

(1) a large, legal, quiet and peaceful gathering of several hundred people;

(2) a small, (I would argue) legal, quiet and peaceful presence of one petite, kneeling elderly woman (Joan Bell), and

(3) a small illegal appearance of a man with a bullhorn who was taunting participants (David Grisham).

The first was unobjectionable. It was not disruptive, and these people had as much right to be on the street as anybody else.

The second was, I think also unobjectionable. Bell was outside, on Civic Center property (which is public property) and neither blocking nor harassing anybody. Her prayers were not audible. She did not have a ticket to be in the building, but she was not in the building: she was outside.

The third was probably a violation of the noise ordinance. He was arrested accordingly.

I don't think Bell should have been arrested, because she intended no harm and did no harm. No harm, no foul. She didn't cooperate with the police removing her, which resulted in the charges, but I think both her forcible removal and the charges were overreactions.

I would say the same if varous groups and individuals were protesting a Catholic Mass in exactly the same manner.

I would point out, too, that a Black Mass is specifically an act of intended desecration, defilement and sacrilege meant to show contempt to another faith community, Catholicism. It's an act of public provocation. If they had the permit and paid the fee for the use of the hall they're allowed to do it, but the moral approbrium should be on them, and not on one lone and silent woman, outside the building on city-owned property, who was praying unobtrusively for their well-being and redemption.

30 posted on 09/26/2014 2:13:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thank you for your clarifications. Much appreciated. On this one point:

I would point out, too, that a Black Mass is specifically an act of intended desecration, defilement and sacrilege meant to show contempt to another faith community

Eating a croissant is also a specific act of desecration, defilement, and sacrilege meant to show contempt for islam which tried to conquer Austria. Every time you eat one you defile their 'holy' crescent symbol. (I like mine with strawberry jam!)

All kidding aside, these people are still trolling you folks for a reaction. Ignore them and deny them the satisfaction.

31 posted on 09/26/2014 4:38:58 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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To: MeganC
I do understand the trolling part.

Sigh. :o/

32 posted on 09/26/2014 4:53:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness...)
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To: mlizzy
That was our local abortion mill. Numerous local pro-lifers, including members of a number of Knights of Columbus Councils, prayed the rosary outside that mill on every killing day for years.

The building was built as an 1890s fortress of a public grammar school, acquired by a very strange fellow whose pleasure was to rent to the mill which occupied the basement of the building. The owner actually resided in the building. In one upper story window he placed a nun doll with a noose around its neck next to a miniature coffin. At another window he had a child's stuffed chicken toy hanging by its neck.

The owner installed a sound system and, from the safety of his fortress, read the most explicit news stories about priests arrested for child molesting in order to discourage pro-lifers bringing their children to protest.

The owner was a friend of an apparently "gay" police lieutenant and area commander who gave protection and favoritism to the mill until the current police chief put a stop to it and insisted on strict neutrality as to abortion. Eventually, the owner stopped trying to use the police.

We also had the support and sympathy of the head of the police union who was also the Democrat candidate for mayor of Rockford. The Republican candidate was an Hispanic woman who is an Evangelical Christian and pro-life and the Mayor Larry Morrissey who is an Independent and former Democrat is a pro-life Catholic and repeatedly intervened on behalf of pro-lifers such as insisting that an ultrasound truck be allowed to operate in the immediate vicinity of the mill. The most recent Republican candidate is a member of our Tridentine Mass community.

Kevin Rilotte is a member of St. Bernadette's Knights of Columbus Council in Rockford. Bishop Thomas Doran was not only the Bishop of the Rockford Diocese but also a member of the Church's supreme court known as the Signatura. He is now retired and, I believe, is being treated at the Mayo Clinic for lung cancer. He was a magnificent bishop. Please keep him in your prayers.

The exorcisms of the mill building took place monthly with BIG beefy members of the Knights of Columbus as bodyguards for the priests.

The longtime abortionist was a Dr. Ragsdale who had graduated the local Catholic High School before making his living surgically killing babies. When he was in his fifties, he developed a fatal cancer in his face. He was buried secretly from a local Congregationalist church which played drama queen by claiming secrecy was necessary because of the potential of "pro-life violence." Personally, I think that claim was to fill the otherwise rather empty pews with pro-abort liberals.

The mill tried to carry on but the capability of the doctors declined badly until they imported a reportedly 85-year old doctor from Chicago (90 miles away). Asked by state inspectors whether he had admitting privileges in any of the three local hospitals, he had to say no. What would he do if he had a case in which the patient's uterus was punctured. He apparently replied that he would call an ambulance and have such a woman taken to Chicago where he did have privileges. Of course, she would be dead long before arriving in Chicago even without the ever present traffic jams leading into Chicago. Sanitary problems galore existed. There were many violations of state regulations. The building housing the mill is a slum. There were no registered nurses on staff who were allowed to exercise independent judgment. There were likely others as well.

The miracle on the ground is that this closing of the mill occurred during the governorship of Patrick Quinn, aka Quinnochio, whose Irish ancestors were probably Catholic whereas Quinnochio is a social issue revolutionary. He signed a "gay" "marriage" bill saying his faith demanded it. The Catholic Bishop of Springfield, IL, (the state capitol, Thomas Paprocki replied: "And what religion is THAT? Certainly not the one I am involved with!"

The legal appeal of the license suspension was transferred to a Chicago court which entered orders fining the mill and setting strict time deadlines to resolve the violations causing the suspension. At the deadline, the mill threw in the towel and forfeited its license. As I understand it, OSF St. Anthony's Hospital and Rockford Memorial Hospital have never performed abortions. The third Rockford hospital Swedish-American once did abortions and had Ragsdale on staff but that hospital is now believed to have refused admitting privileges to any abortionist since Ragsdale's death and to have stopped performing abortions.

Now those seeking abortion must go to the People's Republic of Madison, Wisconsin, or to Aurora, Illinois (a Chicagoland suburb). I suspect that the local abortion rate has declined accordingly.

Numerous local churches have Eucharistic Adoration Chapels open 24/7/365 and each one has many worshipers.

May God bless you and yours!

33 posted on 09/26/2014 5:52:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; mlizzy
Mrs. Don-O:

Generally agreed BUT, I don't think they are likely to have met the standards of due process in arresting the fellow with the bullhorn. "Noise ordinances" need to specify the number of decibels that are prohibited. This requires testing with appropriate scientific equipment and few police carry such equipment. "It was sooooo loud that it bothered me and others" is not an appropriate or enforceable standard.

Also, suppose that just as much (to the unscientific ear) noise is thought to have been caused by the Satanists. Suppose further that some of the police officers present MAY have sympathy with Satanists. Is the arrest of the protestor against the "Black Mass" for the loudness of his taunts or for the content of his words (a quite forbidden violation of First Amendment Freedom of Speech as even the ACLU would agree)? Or were the cops just angry with Joanie's non-cooperation? How can we tell? How can the Court tell? Objectively?

We should NEVER concede to authority powers not theirs to exercise. Freedom of Speech and Assembly are vital to the well-being of our country. We should defend those rights even for our opponents. That does not mean some "right" to rent public facilities to perform such cornucopiae of moral evils as is said to have happened here. WHERE did they get a validly consecrated Communion Wafer which is necessary to the unspeakable sacrilege involved? Theft? Obtaining property by false pretenses? Also, as I understand it, their "altar" is a naked 12 year old girl on a table. Before an audience of "adults" no less!

And yet, one of two things must be true. People and, disproportionately those who attend "Black Masses" and apparently paid money to do so, are aware of what a "Black Mass" involves: Ritual sexual abuse of a child in public involving desecration of a validly consecrated Communion Wafer. Either that occurred in Oklahoma City and each and every adult involved from "Satanic priest" to each paying member of the audience (who are also expected to expose themselves and in this case with a child present) should be arrested for felony violations victimizing the little girl; OR, highly unlikely, everyone remained fully clothed and no one molested the girl in which case the proprietors of this sacrilegious freak show should be arrested for fraud.

Of course, the police were too busy arresting the guy with the bullhorn and arresting Joanie for praying the rosary in the First Degree and dragging her away to satisfy their tidy ideas of who (with badges and uniforms) is supposed to be in charge. Joanie and Bullhorn guy did not defer and so THEY were the ones and the only ones arrested. We once could take for granted that police officers were "on our side" as we sought to advance virtue and retard sin. Dear dead days!

34 posted on 09/26/2014 6:38:17 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Not true.

Auxiliary Bishop Austin Vaughan of the New York Archdiocese was arrested and imprisoned for Rescue. Upon release he told Mario Cuomo that Cuomo was going straight to hell. I would wager that police got the message. Judges in Connecticut surely did, while moaning that Roe vs. Wade had tied their hands.

Bishop Rene Gracida, while still Bishop of Corpus Christi, issued letters over his signature to police, sheriff's deputies and law enforcement generally that arresting pro-lifers was not morally permissible but made law enforcement personnel complicit in the moral crime of abortion. He told them to refuse such duty and provide Bishop Gracida's letter to their superiors. As a side note, long before he was a priest or even in seminary, he served as a tailgunner in WW II with the 303rd Hell's Angels.

I feel certain that there were others. All of them should have told the police what you have referenced. Heck, if a couple of hundred set an example by Rescuing and going to jail and making clear that each bishop would be the last to leave jail, we might have put an end to abortion in 1973.

35 posted on 09/26/2014 7:30:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

I knew about Bishop Vaughan, but never heard about Gracida. I wonder if his diocese would provide those letters to a historian.


36 posted on 09/26/2014 8:25:13 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Bishop Gracida is now very old, having been born in 1923, but he is still active, He maintains a blog which is active. It is called Abyssus Abyssum Invocat and can be accessed on the net at abyssus.org. Best of luck. I think the blog will let you contact him directly.

He was apparently born in New Orleans. His mother was French. I think his father was Hispanic. He became a priest at 36 in 1959 after extensive academic study here and in Switzerland. He was an Auxiliary Bishop of Miami, then the first Bishop of Pensacola, Florida, then Bishop of Corpus Christi and retired at the age of 73. He is now 91!

When he was Bishop of Corpus Christi and was issuing those letters to law enforcement, I remember seeing a photograph of him wearing clerical clothing and a very stylish cowboy hat and a winning smile.

If you can get his attention, I would imagine that he would gladly give you a copy. If he cannot be reached, then it would be up to the current bishop and or staff about whom I am not familiar but it is part of history and they ought not to feel embarrassed by the work of their dashing former bishop.

He retired in 1997. I suspect that the letters were issued in the very late 1980s or very early 1990s coinciding with the most intense period of my involvement as a lawyer for Rescuers in Connecticut.

You are in North Dakota. Father Weslin spent a lot of time hammering the abortion mill at Fargo. I have wondered whether you ever had the chance to meet him. Also, who is/was Arthur McGowan? I tried to find him but only came up with a somewhat long dead coffee merchant.

May God bless you and yours!

37 posted on 09/26/2014 10:25:04 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: MeganC

Gotcha Megan. You just typed out the standard narrative of legal positivism. Nothing higher than the constitution, even if it finds one man is the property of another. Justice Taney, of Dred Scott fame, would agree with you 100%.


38 posted on 11/20/2014 6:36:35 PM PST by STJPII
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