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[UKIP's Farage:] Scots won’t get independence from a Yes vote
Telegraph UK ^ | September 11, 2014 | Nigel Farage

Posted on 09/13/2014 11:05:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

In a week's time, Scotland will not hold a referendum... The year, carefully chosen by Mr Salmond, celebrates the one unequivocal Scottish victory in the long antagonism between the two nations, at Bannockburn in 1314... The Scots have no way of keeping a UK link while extending the powers of the Scottish Parliament... The hoodlums who sought to break up my meetings and confined me to a pub told me to go back to England... Their position is merely the extreme end of Mr Salmond's. ...if they vote "yes" next week, they will not get independence. Rather, they are voting for rule by Brussels. As Mr Cameron has brutally discovered, no EU member is truly independent... This is where Salmond has not been open with the Scottish voters... The wage compression effect of open-door immigration turns the minimum wage into a standard or maximum wage

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alexsalmond; europeanunion; glasgow; nigelfarage; scotland; scotlandyet; ukip; unitedkingdom
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Ukip leader Nigel Farage has hit the nail on the head by asking about where the exit strategy is

1 posted on 09/13/2014 11:05:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Have a great day and weekend, all.


2 posted on 09/13/2014 11:05:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

>>Rather, they are voting for rule by Brussels. As Mr Cameron has brutally discovered, no EU member is truly independent...<<

he has a point, but who says an independent Scotland will join the EU?


3 posted on 09/13/2014 11:07:24 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: freedumb2003

FWIW, I think Scotland wants to join the EU. I don’t get it. The EU might be the most despicable “democratic” government on the planet.


4 posted on 09/13/2014 11:10:59 AM PDT by grania
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To: SunkenCiv
The wage compression effect of open-door immigration turns the minimum wage into a standard or maximum wage...

Somebody needs to beat this into the heads of union workers in the USA. They have been working under union contracts with maximum salaries regardless of the quality of their work for years - now immigration is going to lower those maximums close to the minimum.

5 posted on 09/13/2014 11:12:49 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: freedumb2003; grania

The ringleader of the separatist effort counts on being the head of the country; and all politics is always and only about power. Oh, and all politicians are scumbags.

Today’s poll: Yes 41%, No 47%, Don’t know 12%
Saturday 13 September 2014
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/todays-poll-yes-41-no-48-dont-know-12.1410617296


6 posted on 09/13/2014 11:14:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Today’s poll: Yes 41%, No 47%, Don’t know 12%

Wow! This will be a nail-biter! I don't have dog in this fight but it is probably the most interesting non-war geopolitical occurrence in some time.

If they win, I wonder if Quebec will take another run at it...

7 posted on 09/13/2014 11:20:20 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The unions were destroyed by high oil prices and the political fallout which included the EPA and anti-coal/anti-nuke demagogues — energy costs went from low and stable to high and unstable — and foreign. Steel production went overseas, where labor costs were low and environmental ‘protection’ nil. Auto needed more expensive vehicles to cover labor costs, and that meant larger cars (Chrysler was the first US company to actually make money on a domestically produced subcompact, the Neon), which got lousy fuel economy — and ultimately the permanent change from 35 cents a gallon to $1 or more (and now, at 42 gal p bbl, $100+ a bbl, and 53 cents a gallon federal excise, $3 is the permanent floor) meant compact and subcompact cars from the Far East took over a large piece of the market (in the late 1950s, Chevy by itself was about 40 percent of the car business in the US).


8 posted on 09/13/2014 11:21:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: freedumb2003

The polling will have a large margin of error. When I see those figures showing a margin of 1 to 4 percent, I have to laugh.

There’s an old joke about Scots, which probably didn’t start with the Scots (and yes, I’ve got Scottish ancestry), and has in recent years been adapted for muzzies by yours truly.

Scots are locked in a lifelong struggle against their sworn enemies, the Scots.

More than in most political contests, the vote will go according to how the voters in Scotland are feeling toward each other that day, or whom they run into on the way to the polls. Right now the Scots are part of a larger entity and have limited autonomy.


9 posted on 09/13/2014 11:26:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: freedumb2003; grania

First, there’s no guarantee an independent Scotland would be allowed in to the European Union without adopting a number policies, not least of which is converting its currency to the Euro.

Second, they must receive unananomous approval from the current members, any number of whom are harboring nascent separatist movements within their own borders.

I’d say the odds of Scotland being rejected for EU membership are substantial, whether they want to join or not.


10 posted on 09/13/2014 11:39:01 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

If Scotland sez yes to the Euro — and it’s been floated that they may just continue to use sterling, and not worry about their own currency — there will be pressure applied to let them in. Farage knows that a separate Scotland in the EU means one more vote against UK interests, and having Scotland adopt the Euro would mean, the UK and its Pound (England, Wales, N Ireland) would shrink a bit, an outcome much desired by France and Germany.


11 posted on 09/13/2014 11:52:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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“Oh, and all politicians are scumbags.”

You forgot narcissistic psychopaths and sociopaths. Of course OUR politicians aren’t like that.


12 posted on 09/13/2014 11:57:45 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: mac_truck

Are there any good articles of the mechanics of a Scotland breakaway?


13 posted on 09/13/2014 12:36:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: SunkenCiv

14 posted on 09/13/2014 1:03:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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Re: “The unions were destroyed by high oil prices and the political fallout which included the EPA and anti-coal/anti-nuke demagogues.”

Today, USA oil prices are close to $90, and “clean” natural gas is being produced in record volume for under $4(mmBtu).

Does this mean the return of industrial unions!

15 posted on 09/13/2014 1:19:46 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SunkenCiv

In the article by Farage:
“The wage compression effect of open-door immigration turns the minimum wage into a standard or maximum wage: the immigrants or even just the threat of them ensure that millions of workers have no realistic chance of negotiating higher pay.”

Too bad Obama’s American Progressive/Liberal/Union/African-American community can not read or reason.


16 posted on 09/13/2014 1:23:13 PM PDT by BilLies ( it isn't the color of the skin, but culture that is embraced that degrades.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, what can they do if they become a separate country?

1. Use the UK pound without being in on the central bank. Their money supply is not under their control.

2. Join the EU and use the Euro without being in on the central bank. Their money supply is not under their control, and they have to follow a lot of stupid regulations.

3. Have their own little currency that everyone else in the world will laugh at. The Scottish what?


17 posted on 09/13/2014 1:28:30 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember being in London one New Year’s Eve. There was a drunken Scotsman on the bus yelling “Tha only guid thing to come oot of Scotland is the road tae England!”


18 posted on 09/13/2014 2:06:15 PM PDT by expat2
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To: proxy_user

They could mint a nice one unit coin and call it the “Nessie”.


19 posted on 09/13/2014 2:11:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: zeestephen

It means millions of illegals will be forming unions, and we’ll have a phase of union violence largely unseen for a century.


20 posted on 09/13/2014 2:13:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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