Ukraine's Pro-War Party Is Collapsing In The Polls

business insider ^ | Sep. 5, 2014 | John Helmer

[Mount Athos]

Ukrainian politicians in favour of the military campaign against Donetsk, Lugansk, and Russia, have suffered a dramatic loss of support across the country.

This was reported in Kiev on September 3. In the first countrywide poll taken since the Ukrainian Army took heavy casualties and retreated from the Donbass at the end of August, voters who had supported the pro-war Radical Party, led by Oleg Lyashko, have dropped from 22.2% to 13.1%. Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk’s bloc, Patriots of Ukraine, which includes the police and national guard minister, Arsen Avakov, has collapsed from more than 9% to 3.7%. Yulia Timoshenko’s Fatherland party has fallen below her former proteges to 3.5%. The Svoboda (“Freedom”) party of Oleg Tyagnibok, the candidate of the US Embassy in Kiev and the State Department, and Pravy Sektor (“Right Sector”), the party behind the national guard formations fighting in the east, have lost virtually all their support outside the far western regions of the country; across the Ukraine they are now polling just 2.5% and 1%.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Other post came out weird, so reposting:

You likely don’t know that the guy in your pick, wrapped in plastic, is a Right Sector fighter known as “Doberman”

You are a liar most likely repeating something you read on a Nazi Russian twitter feed, and here is the proof: Doberman is the nickname, in fact, of the Chechen Muslim. The guy to the right has been called "Doberman," though I am not 100 percent sure.

Here is a video of the Muslim allegedly called 'Doberman' in his Russian Federation uniform. This is the same man who is there with the wrapped up guy:

"Doberman is dead, can unbury him to prove."

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=27f_1408314613#KGdLvcAWwP22tKiG.99

Here is the second video with the Muslim "Doberman", alleged to be the same guy in the previous video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1409102861

Funny, but he had a completely different disposition when he was caught by the rebels.

You're free to provide any evidence that one Doberman tortured and killed another Doberman, and that he really was a Nazi.

[1rudeboy]

The Russian Orthodox Church basically is an arm of the Russian government. Just embrace it, instead of making excuses for it.

[1rudeboy]

There ya’ go. It was only a matter of time before you posted a photo of John McCain. Why? Only the Kremlin knows for sure.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

1) The Stalin Calendar was never an official publication of the Russian Orthodox Church.

It is published by the "orthodox" company St.Holy Trinity-St.Sergius Lavra described by the Moscow Times as "A publishing house run by the Russian Orthodox Church... The calendar, published by the Moscow-based patriarchal printing house of the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius monastery, presents pictures of Stalin, accompanied by excerpts from his biography. The photographs show Stalin gradually ageing as the months roll on — from a young man on the January page to a gray-haired Soviet leader in December."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/fury-over-biographical-stalin-calendar-published-by-orthodox-church/492446.html

The RFEL reports it as a publication of the Russian Orthodox Church in the same way:

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-stalin-calendar/25224022.html

2) The creator and distributor of the calendar was an outside enterprise (Dostoinstvo). It was a commercial order accepted by the printing press.

And was advertised by the church as a best seller, hence all the media attention it received.

3) When this fact became known to the Moscow Patriarchate, with the support of the hierarchy of the Lavra, the Typography director and entire accounting section were fired.

Here's another one, this time a "documentary" called "Stalin. Defeat of the 5th Column". Deals with Stalin's "glorious" defeat of the so-called 5th Column in Russia:

http://macovec.ru/shop/?text=%D1%F2%E0%EB%E8%ED

Film can be watched here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2us1564cD4

From the description:

"As is usually the case with the Russian people, the warrior and protector - in the last moments of his life, help comes. And comprehending took place amid one realizes that only he could make no effort. His only will help you win. Win a death and the enemy.

Extras: Three Stalin's speech."

Maybe they will need to fire more people to solve the problem?

[Pining_4_TX]

Apparently you don’t have any problem with the US joining with Iran to fight ISIS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if it is temporary. Russia has no love for Muslims.

Speaking of Iran, Russia has cozied up to Iran since the time of the czars, because it desperately want access to the Persian Gulf. It’s not new with Putin.

Subhuman Bolsheviks? Wow. Somebody is still living in 1950.

I’m glad you alighted from your heavenly perch. Your halo was getting a big tarnished.

[Pining_4_TX]

Well, I’m certainly not going to change your mind. It’s ridiculous from the get go, but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if it is temporary.

If America is the common enemy of Iran and Russia, we're in trouble. Nukes I suppose are temporary in the sense that the explosion is soon over and the radiation eventually goes away. Russia has no love for Muslims.

Russia has love for Pro-Russian Muslims. They just do not like the ones that are anti-Russia.

Information on Putin and Kadyrov, the Muslim ruler of Chechnya:

"His loyalty can be embarrassing even for the Kremlin. At the last elections, President Vladimir Putin and his ruling United Russia party won more than 99 percent of Chechnya's vote, with Soviet-style turnout over 99 percent.

Grozny's central thoroughfare is now named after Putin.

"What's happening here is absurd. It's George Orwell, 1984," said a dissident who asked that his identity not be revealed. "Nothing is going to change here any time soon. Chechen spring? Forget about it."

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/05/01/usa-explosions-russia-chechnya-idINDEE94003O20130501 Islamic thugs and Sharia law being established in Chechnya:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19627632 More info:

"Islam is considered as one of Russia’s traditional religions, legally a part of Russian historical heritage.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

From Putin:

“Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and other religions are an integral part of Russia’s identity, its historical heritage and the present-day lives of its citizens.”

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/russia-putin-values-based-diplomacy-muslim-world.html##ixzz3CUL09PUM

As long as they're off killing the enemies of Russia, Putin is glad to have them as citizens of his country. From Ukraine, the "separatists":

Speaking of Iran, Russia has cozied up to Iran since the time of the czars, because it desperately want access to the Persian Gulf. It’s not new with Putin.

IOW, Russia is cozy with an Islamic death cult, helping them with their nuclear program, allegedly to get access to the Persian Gulf.

[BeadCounter]

The Chechen Leader just came out in support of Vlad against the ISIS threat.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/03/report-credible-information-isis-aqap-planning-11-anniversary-attack-abroad/

[Mount Athos]

You are lying again.

The Church never offered the Calendar for sale.

The Church never advertised the calendar.

The creator and distributor of the calendar was Dostoinstvo. This is a private organization not part of the Church.

They placed a commercial order with an ROC owned printing press. The order was delivered to Dostointvo who sold and advertised it themselves. The printing press had previously accepted outside commercial orders. When the Stalin printing was discovered by the Church, all people responsible were fired.

Instead of telling the truth, you spread lies saying the Church created the calendar, and advertised it, and sold it. It did none of these things, but you want to believe it and want other people to believe your lies to smear the church.

If you cared about truth you would apologize to everyone here for spreading lies and falsely smearing the Russian Orthodox Church.

Instead of following up with more and more lies.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The creator and distributor of the calendar was Dostoinstvo

Okay, so you are saying that the ROC had nothing to do with it, except the actual printing part, and that Dostoinstvo, allegedly, did all the selling and distributing.

How about this one?

http://macovec.ru/shop/?text=%D1%F2%E0%EB%E8%ED

Is this Dostoinstvo's website?

If you cared about truth you would apologize to everyone here for spreading lies and falsely smearing the Russian Orthodox Church.

The ROC is a satanic arm of the Kremlin that attacks Christian churches throughout Russia, and is run by a "former" KGB, and publishes Stalin stuff on their publishing websites. There is nothing wrong with smearing something so ugly.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

So tell us why they have so many primary Cabinet positions in the coup gov, like head of the National Defense Council, Prosecutor General, Deputy Prime Minister and the heads of the agriculture and environmental departments?

This article, "No, Ukraine is not being run by fascists" is a little dated, but still quite applicable.

"Do the interim leaders of Ukraine fit that bill? Most members of the coalition government — such as acting President Oleksandr Turchyno, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko, and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov — are from the Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) Party, headed by former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. The Batkivshchyna Party has a populist, pro-Europe bent, mixing support for freer markets with a call for greater assistance for the poor.

Tymoshenko is an early frontrunner in the May 25 presidential race, along with millionaire businessman/politician Petro Poroshenko and former heavyweight boxing champion Vitali Klitschko. Klitschko, considered a political outsider, is a member of the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) but not part of the coalition government. He heads up the center-right Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform (UDAR — or "Punch" in Ukrainian), which holds 40 seats in parliament. UDAR is also pro-Europe, virulently anti-corruption, and favors more expansive welfare policies.

None of these people can be called fascists. If you use a looser definition of fascist — say, a group with extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice — then there are actually elements of fascism in the interim government. Yatsenyuk's cabinet includes members of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda (Freedom) Party and the even-further-right Pravy Sektor (Right Sector), some of them in relatively high positions.

Svoboda has fascist roots, starting as the Social-National Party of Ukraine in the early 1990s. It kept that name until 2004, at which point party leader Oleh Tyahnybok was still giving speeches urging Ukrainians to fight the "Muscovite-Jewish mafia." The Wolfsangel (the swastika-esque symbol to the right), popular with neo-Nazis, was the party's logo until 2003. But the party has slowly been moderating over the years, especially since Tyahnybok took over in 2004.

By distancing itself from anti-semitism, moderating its more radical platforms, and focusing on corruption, Svoboda won 10 percent of the vote for parliament in the 2012 election. Svoboda formed an opposition coalition with Batkivshchyna and UDAR, and that coalition held when the Maidan protests started in November 2013. By January, Tyahnybok was one of the protest's three leaders, along with Batkivshchyna's Yatsenyuk and Klitschko."

http://theweek.com/article/index/257646/no-ukraine-is-not-being-run-by-fascists

That is a LOT of cabinet seats for just “1-2% support”,

Right Sector has no cabinet seats. The closest you can get is Parubiy, who is currently waiting to be replaced, who has been a member of the Ukrainian parliament since 2007 and did not run as a Fascist or Nazi of any kind. You might accuse people like this of hiding what they really believe, but you can't accuse Ukrainians of being fascists or Nazis based they voted on in 2007 or 2012, when they did not run as such.

[Mount Athos]

Do I have this right?

A single listing for a Stalin film on a Christian bookstore website convinced you that the ROC is satanic?

Let’s showcase your truth discernment for all to see right here and now.

Was the film critical of Stalin?

Did it criticise his repressions and mass murders?

Did it talk about how Stalin butchered 99% of the Church’s bishops and most of their priests and monks? That Stalin saw the Church as a great enemy and pounded the table in a speech demanding that more be done against it?

Since this film was a key part in forming your judgement, you must know a lot about it?

Or could it be that you have never seen it and you have no idea?

That you are spouting nonsense smears against millions of other Christians based on things you have no idea about?

Go ahead and make all the wild accusations about how other Christians and freepers are in league with Satan.

I won’t return the accusation, but you’re not very discerning or careful when it comes to truth.

[DTA]

When junta controlled part learns the true casualties of Ukrainian Army and militias Nazi scum will get chased with pitchforks to the roof of U.S. mission in Kiev. (Trident is Ukrainian symbol after all).

IMHO, the area around Lvov should return to Poland like Crimea returned to Russia and the rest should form confederation of two autonomous regions. Only this could bring the lasting peace.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

A single listing for a Stalin film on a Christian bookstore...

It is not just any "Christian" bookstore or any Stalin film. It is a Pro-Stalin film being sold by the ROC from the same publishing house that printed the Stalin calendar. The Kremlin is pushing Stalin propaganda on the masses, but does not like it to be talked about too much. Whenever it gets too far into the English press, they step back a bit. The Kremlin today denies most of Stalin's crimes and his pact with Hitler, and rationalizes what they do admit to.

website convinced you that the ROC is satanic?

My conclusion on this is based on multiple factors, not just the Stalinist thing. It is based, first, on the KGB patriarch and his corruption. The ROC's role as a propaganda arm for the Kremlin, using Christianity to promote Russian Chauvinism/Nationalism and war against the West. And, finally, the persecution of non-ROC Christians in favor of the ROC:

http://www.christianpersecution.info/russia.php

Was the film critical of Stalin?

The film depicts Stalin as someone falling away from a desire to establish worldwide Marxism and of becoming a Russian patriot with a desire to "revive" Russia. This is part of the Kremlin's campaign to rehabilitate Stalin in order to justify a Stalinist type of government. Read this:

"A nationwide Russian poll seeking to name the greatest-ever countryman is set to end Sunday, and former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin is in the running for No. 1, the BBC reported.

Rossiya, one of Russia's biggest television stations, has been conducting the "Name of Russia" poll for most of the year, and the original list of 500 candidates has been narrowed down to 12.

More than 3.5 million people have voted so far, and Stalin, a bloodthirsty tyrant who killed millions of his own people, is riding high on the list.

Some others in the top 12 are Ivan the Terrible, Lenin, Catherine the Great and poet Alexander Pushkin.

Leaders of the Communist Party are not surprised by Stalin's status on the hero list.

"Stalin made Russia a superpower and was one of the founders of the coalition against Hitler in World War II," said Sergei Malinkovich, leader of the St. Petersburg Communist Party.

The St. Petersburg branch of the party in July asked the Orthodox Church to canonize Stalin if he wins the poll.

The broader campaign to revive Stalin as a "hero" appears to be coming from the highest levels of government.

A new manual has been given to history teachers in Russia's schools, which says Stalin acted "entirely rationally," the BBC reported.

"[The initiative] came from the very top," says the editor of the manual, historian Alexander Danilov. "I believe it was the idea of former president, now prime minister, Vladimir Putin."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/12/27/stalin-makes-top-12-in-russia-poll-for-all-time-hero/

At the last minute Stalin's name was switched to some random person no one could possibly know about, most likely because it hit the Western media.

I noticed the same thing happened, in a way, to Alexandr Dugin, the Fascist who did the recruiting early on for Ukraine (since 2006, actually, or earlier), who had worked in some top position in a university in Russia.

A book was published examining Dugin's sick ideology in English, and, after that, Putin made him step down from his position at the university.

On the one hand, Putin wants to propagandize his own people with extremist ideas, but he also doesn't want the West to understand what he believes.

That Stalin saw the Church as a great enemy and pounded the table in a speech demanding that more be done against it?

Remember, this is a revisionist society that believes nothing but lies. See here:

"Today Stalin is the heir of the Russian tsars. For the nationalists – a majority among the Stalinists – he's not even a Georgian, but a Russian and a baptised Orthodox christian! No, no – he didn't blow up the churches including the Moscow Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, he didn't root out the opium of the people following on from Lenin. After all, he went to seek the advice of St Matrona – you can see that on the TV. Other priests have elevated that closet Orthodox christian Stalin to a saint and practically put icons to him into the church, but it's a bit early for that, so they've had to take them home."

More info at link: https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/tatiana-shcherbina/stalin-%E2%80%93-hero-for-our-time

Or could it be that you have never seen it and you have no idea?

Unfortunately, since it's in Russian, I can't translate the audio for myself without help, thus I had to go by comments about the film from Russians and the film description (from the links posted earlier, use google translate):

"Leninist weapon, consisting of such as he , immigrants brought to Russia in 1917, or as could be expected that after the death of the leader to the fore will be gradually leaving Stalin - man of the clan , to which the idea of ​​world revolution and world dominance will fade before the desire to revive the Russian ...

Extras : God is with us.

As is usually the case with the Russian people , the warrior and protector - in the last moments of life, help comes . And comprehending took place amid one realizes that only he could make no effort . His only will help you win . Win a death and the enemy.

Extras : Three Stalin's speech .

Here are some comments under the film to the link provided earlier:

"The problem of modern society is that they evaluate historical figures in their ideology. But that's not the ideology. Simply, there are statesmen, and there is a fifth column. Yes, the Bolsheviks destroyed the Russian Empire, destroyed the Russian state, but Stalin was a Bolshevik, but he was a statesman and a distinguished him from Lenin, Sverdlov, Trotsky, and other "ardent revolutionaries." "The more facts about Stalin and his era will know more grandiose looming figure of this great genius . For me today - the attitude to Stalin - a measure of the mind and integrity : anti- Stalinist - is either illiterate fool or a scoundrel . No middle ground . " Prof. S. Lopatnikov

"These [removed for FR] just shot ordinary Soviet citizens in 37-39 years, and Stalin with great effort managed to stop the destruction of ordinary citizens, and they responded to the Soviet people, it is proven historical facts! By the way, all the processes were open and youth is to learn once and for navsegda- it was Stalin stopped the repressive machine of the conspirators!"

"This movie once again demonstrates how our enemies pervert our history. In the past week, went 3-episode film on ren-TV and you never dreamed of. His Majesty's Spies. Here is the link to the 2 series. In Youtube there are other 2 series. look-learn a lot about our history"

"6 million prisoners in the United States ....."

"Where are we, Russian, find another such Georgian" (Stalin was actually from Georgia)

"Stalin was a great man and who is bad to say about it they ignoramuses."

Finally, a detractor:

"Dislike + 1

stalin=evil=satana"

I think we can be pretty sure about the contents of this film at this point.

[Mount Athos]

That’s a lot of typing to cover up the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

That’s a lot of typing to cover up the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

That's very little typing to cover up the fact that you didn't read my links, my quotes, or anything at all, but are just going to keep praising the Satanic ROC anyway, regardless of what is what, just like a revisionist Russkie praising Stalin as a hero of the people.

[Mount Athos]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave When first we practise to deceive!

This one isn't quite as poetic (probably due to google), but shares a similar mindset as you. From the earlier link:

"Stalin was a great man and who is bad to say about it they ignoramuses."

[BeadCounter]

Fascinating conversation to follow since this late afternoon, I hope people don’t get steamed because there really is a truth we are trying to find out in this situation and we get two sides, I’m old enough to remember the old Radio Moscow/Tass/Pravda propaganda but still try to be unbiased.

[tcrlaf]

“You’re free to provide any evidence that one Doberman tortured and killed another Doberman”

If you insist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG8tAWaGJ0M

Why do you keep persisting with all of these falsehoods?