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Russia's move to sell S-400 missiles to China may rile India
Press Trust of India ^ | August 29, 2014

Posted on 08/29/2014 10:10:04 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

The deal between Beijing and Moscow can dramatically alter the balance of power in South Asia

Russia's reported plan to sell advanced S-400 anti-aircraft missile system to China may rile wary neighbours, especially India, as Moscow and Beijing moved closer in the backdrop of deepening Ukrainian crisis, according to a media report.

A recent comment by Kremlin's chief of staff, Sergei Ivanov, "the chances that China may be the first foreign buyer of S-400s are high," cited by official Voice of Russia, has sparked off speculation that the two countries have moved closer to clinch the deal that was dragged since 2010.

Security experts feel that the much awaited deal between Beijing and Moscow over the sale of S-400 anti-aircraft missile system can dramatically alter the balance of power in South China sea and in South Asia.

With a range of 2,400 km, the S-400 can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously with as many as 72 missiles at altitudes of five meters to 30 km, Hong Kong based South China Morning Post reported.

The S-400 Triumph, a new-generation system upgraded from the S-300, which the PLA is using, is capable of countering all air attack weapons, including tactical and strategic aircraft, ballistic missiles and hypersonic targets such as the US' F-35 fighter jet.

If approved, it will be the third big arms deal between Beijing and Moscow since last year.

Moscow was initially reluctant to sell its S-400 missile system for fear of China reproducing them using its re-engineering skills, but west's decision to punish and isolate Russia in the aftermath of the Ukraine crisis had drawn Moscow closer to Beijing.

Wang Xudong, an adviser on satellites to Chinese government, said, "The PLA is expecting to learn some particular missile technologies from the S-400 system. I think China will soon produce a new type of anti-aircraft missile that compares with S-400 because Chinese are [good] copycats."

China and Russia are expected to cooperate further on developing the IL-476 transport aircraft and IL-78 airborne refuelling tanker, according to state media in both countries.

Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong said, "It's not clear [how] the military cooperation between Beijing and Moscow will go, but the US would definitely keep a close eye on it.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; russia; s400

1 posted on 08/29/2014 10:10:04 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bad deal for the Russkies. The Chinese only need to buy one or two.


2 posted on 08/29/2014 10:14:40 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They might be used against Russia.


3 posted on 08/29/2014 10:19:50 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A recent comment by Kremlin's chief of staff, Sergei Ivanov, "the chances that China may be the first foreign buyer of S-400s are high,"

Well, for their sakes the Indians better be the second foreign buyer, and get as good at studying and manufacturing foreign technology as the Chinese are.
4 posted on 08/29/2014 10:27:27 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Tempted to say, "And they've recently been tested to a little over 30,000 feet", but I don't believe these are the ones used to shoot down the Malaysian Airliner over the Ukraine.  I believe those were S-300s.

Pupin seems to cherish the moniker "Evil Empire".  Too bad, because I don't think his citizens are our enemies.


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5 posted on 08/29/2014 10:28:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We'll know when he's really hit bottom. They'll start referring to him as White.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A typo in the slide:

30 km = 30,000 meters = 53,182 feet ((30000x39)/12)


6 posted on 08/29/2014 10:37:06 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: Captain Rhino

Try 97,500 ft.
The S-400 is serious hardware.
I don’t think the Red Chinese can reverse engineer it, though.


7 posted on 08/29/2014 10:57:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting sI ao hot?)
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To: Little Ray

I stand corrected.

Umm...beats me how I came up with 53K as the needed altitude valve (in meters) is 16,363; not a value you are likely to enter by accident. Must have had something left over from a previous computation in my iPhone calculator application.

Thanks for setting me straight.


8 posted on 08/29/2014 11:47:25 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pretty much gives China OWNERSHIP of East Asia. We might as well pull our navy out if those missiles end up in China’s hands.

This is how Russia plays HARD BALL against a “Wag the Dog” president.


9 posted on 08/30/2014 3:00:49 AM PDT by BobL (Agenda 21 - whatever that is.)
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To: Little Ray

The ChiComs build thieir own S-300 missiles, the HQ-10, 15 and 18.


10 posted on 09/03/2014 10:49:14 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

Yeah. Darn.

People’s Republic of China: China is also the first customer of S-300PMU-2 and may be using the S-300V under the name Hongqi HQ-18.[24] China also built an upgraded version of the HQ-10 labelled the HQ-15 with the maximum range upgraded from 150 km (93 mi) to 200 km (120 mi). There are unconfirmed reports that claim this version is the Chinese manufactured S-300PMU-2.[25][26] The total number of the S-300PMU/1/2 and HQ-15/18 batteries in PLA are approximately 40 and 60 respectively, in the year 2008. The total number of the missiles is well above 1,600, with about 300 launcher platforms.[26] Five such SAM battalions are deployed and in active duty around Beijing region, six battalions in Taiwan strait region and rest battalions in other major cities like Shanghai, Chengdu and Dalian. Two Rif (SA-N-6) systems were purchased in 2002 for the Chinese Navy for the Type 051C Destroyers.

I guess the Chinese can copy anything.


11 posted on 09/04/2014 4:52:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting sI ao hot?)
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