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Texas cops defend pulling over mother of four at gunpoint
Sun News Network ^ | 8/25/14

Posted on 08/25/2014 6:37:18 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Police in Texas have admitted they were wrong to draw their guns on a mother of four when they pulled over the family car early this month, but they won't apologize.

Kametra Barbour was told to exit her vehicle and she was handcuffed at gunpoint as her children watched from the backseat, dashcam footage shows.

The police only lowered their weapons after her six-year-old son got out of the car with his hands up, asking the officers, "Are we going to jail?"

A child is heard crying and screaming on the footage, as an officer tells her, "Stop crying. It's OK. It's OK. Everything's fine now."

ABC News reports the officers were responding after reports of four black men waving a gun out of a beige or tan-coloured Toyota. Barbour was driving a burgundy Nissan Maxima.

The police department defended the traffic stop as appropriate.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cops; donutwatch; ferguson; law
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To: Shimmer1

‘I mean, say the report is wrong...but still, why on earth would they assume a tan Toyota with 4 men should be compared with a burgundy Nissan with a woman and four little kids?!’

Good question. & if asked, not even the police officer would use the idiot defense. I.e.: ‘I pulled a burgundy car over because I thought the witness was so unreliable that when he/she said ‘tan’, he/she really meant ‘burgundy’.

That defense is unworkable b/c the next two questions would be, WHY did you think the witness said ‘tan’ but meant ‘burgundy’, and Did you make any effort to clarify the difference between tan and burgundy?

It’s an unwinnable hole. The only hope is to stop digging.


81 posted on 08/25/2014 12:23:06 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Shimmer1

good for you

Note I didn’t say they mistook the car for beige, just that they assumed the eyewitness was wrong.


82 posted on 08/25/2014 12:24:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Politically Correct

Maybe instead of being illiterate or color blind, the cop was given the wrong information.


83 posted on 08/25/2014 12:28:14 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SoFloFreeper
ABC News reports the officers were responding after reports of four black men waving a gun out of a beige or tan-coloured Toyota. Barbour was driving a burgundy Nissan Maxima.

And apparently you need to drive a car exactly matching that on the police bulletin in order not to be stopped.

84 posted on 08/25/2014 12:32:35 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Truth29
This is another incident that will be used to inflame blacks because the white cops can’t do a proper vehicle ID.

Let's see...looking for a tan or beige Toyota full of armed black men...instead stop a burgundy Nissan full of unarmed children...cuff the mother in front of the kids...what could anyone possibly find inflammatory about any of that? </sarcasm>

85 posted on 08/25/2014 12:38:21 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SoFloFreeper

We might conclude that there is more than one police force in Texas.

In any event , when they are screwing around with this woman then the correct vehicle is getting away.


86 posted on 08/25/2014 1:16:00 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: driftdiver

All or nothing world. Really.

Ok. I think it’s too bad that people post on here and don’t listen to common logic and sense. Everyone is stuck in their own opinion as if they get points for it.

There is no all or nothing world, there is a case of egregious behavior by some out of control cops.


87 posted on 08/25/2014 2:07:47 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: Fantasywriter; driftdiver

Here is a quote from Fantasywriter’s post.
“Good question. & if asked, not even the police officer would use the idiot defense. I.e.: ‘I pulled a burgundy car over because I thought the witness was so unreliable that when he/she said ‘tan’, he/she really meant ‘burgundy’.

That defense is unworkable b/c the next two questions would be, WHY did you think the witness said ‘tan’ but meant ‘burgundy’, and Did you make any effort to clarify the difference between tan and burgundy?

It’s an unwinnable hole. The only hope is to stop digging.”


88 posted on 08/25/2014 2:09:52 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: Shimmer1

Cops wouldn’t even be asked to justify it. You’re grasping at straws.


89 posted on 08/25/2014 2:36:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Shimmer1

The idea that a witness could confuse ‘tan’ with ‘burgundy’ is a premise only a clueless person or a troll would champion. You could argue a witness could confuse ‘black’ with ‘white’. Those colors are as similar as ‘tan’ and ‘burgundy’. Nevertheless, some would say you really can confuse the two. The problem is, people who say that are disconnected from reality. In the real world, if a person is unable to differentiate between two diametrically different colors, then nothing else they say can be relied upon. They are simply worthless observers.


90 posted on 08/25/2014 2:43:39 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You elucidate so well. (is that the right word?? or should I say write word??)
You must be a writer. ....oh wait....


91 posted on 08/25/2014 3:30:29 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: driftdiver

I’m grasping at straws?? I don’t even understand your reasoning, much less agree with it. I THINK you’re defending the cops. I’m not even sure. Do you know that your not making sense, or what?


92 posted on 08/25/2014 3:31:52 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: Shimmer1

Thanks! It’s not necessary to be especially lucid in this case, however. It pretty much argues itself. I.e.: if eyewitnesses were *as* unreliable we’re being led to believe, adjustments for that fact would be routine. When a witness reports ‘four armed black men in a beige or tan Toyota’ the dispatcher would rely, ‘BOLO for an unarmed white woman in a black VW’.

But of course that’s not what happens. The witness is given the benefit of the doubt, & cops react accordingly. They may spot suspects that match up on all but one or two points, and check them out.

But a suspect that matches NO points? A single woman in a burgundy Nissan, with young kids in the backseat? This, we are told, is possibly what the witness meant by ‘four armed men in a tan Toyota’? (Not to omit a critical point: all were black. So she did match that one out of five points. As do millions upon millions of other innocent citizens.)

As I said above, this argument is a hole. The only solution is to stop digging.


93 posted on 08/25/2014 4:28:58 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Shimmer1

I can tell you’re not sure. Lack of confidence is a sorry thing to be made so public.


94 posted on 08/25/2014 4:31:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Once again, you miss the mark completely. Ok. I’m done. No use trying to get reasonable logic and sense out of you.


95 posted on 08/25/2014 6:20:42 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Nothing says you are sad that someone died like looting local places of business!)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
The police department defended the traffic stop as appropriate.



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96 posted on 08/25/2014 6:26:18 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Politically Correct

“A third observation: To be a cop in Texas you must be illiterate and color blind to confuse a beige Toyota with a burgundy Nissan.”

Am I the only one reminded of the Dorner hunt idiocy?


97 posted on 08/25/2014 6:38:53 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: SoFloFreeper

“1. A camera on the cop car helps all parties involved.

2. When you obey the cops, and TRULY put your hands up, you won’t get shot. “

Stuff that. Cops need to stop threatening everyone with death all the time. Cops think nothing of pointing guns at people, before any threat has been offered.

The pigs wouldn’t like having guns pointed at them. What makes pigs think we like having guns pointed at us? Especially when cops are hardly experts at handling weapons. Accidents do happen. And then, like the cowards they are, a single accidental discharge causes the rest to just unload like made.

I very much remember pictures from the Boston manhunt, where cops were aiming guns at EVERYONE, no matter how far off the description of the suspect.


98 posted on 08/25/2014 6:42:54 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: SoFloFreeper
"...a mother of four when they pulled over the family car early this month, but they won't apologize."

"...reports of four black men waving a gun out of a beige or tan-coloured Toyota."

Sounds like they saw four heads in the back seat and weren't taking any chances.

99 posted on 08/25/2014 6:45:58 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Rockpile
In any event , when they are screwing around with this woman then the correct vehicle is getting away.

This is the reason for my call to reduce budgets. If the money we spend on LE isn't doing any good, we need to reduce budgets.

/johnny

100 posted on 08/25/2014 6:46:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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