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The Price of Oil Crushed Russia Once. Is It About to Happen Again?
fool ^ | August 23, 2014 | By Aimee Duffy

Posted on 08/23/2014 9:42:34 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: ckilmer

It is somehow ignorant idea.
At first it ignores a fundamental difference between USSR and Russia.
True, energy exports are the largest exports for Russia and it contributes the most to the government revenues but government is not everything these days.
In USSR it was the opposite as far as there was a command economy and every single thing was a government-run.
Despite being the biggest earner for the government, energy sector is not higher than a fifth of total Russian economy.
Even if this sector would be hurt really bad, all they need is to cut some spending or increase taxation for other sectors.


21 posted on 08/24/2014 12:26:05 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: berdie

“Why? I don’t think China gives a rip about the environment.”

Pollution has become so severe on so many levels that the Chinese government simply can not ignore the problem(s) any longer. Their affluent and most educated are leaving the country in droves. Those who can’t leave are starting to make noise about it. China’s air, water, soil, food, you name it, has become so polluted it’s simply a health hazard to live there. In fact, many western expats have relocated their families to nearby countries and commute to China to do their business.


22 posted on 08/24/2014 2:04:26 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: ckilmer

Our best weapon to hurt Putin is domestic oil and Nat gas production. The President is locked within the left wing paradigm that oil and Nat gas is bad, so unfortunately our best épée apron to hurt Russia is not used.


23 posted on 08/24/2014 3:18:24 AM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: A CA Guy

I remember reading an article in The Stars and Stripes when I was stationed in Germany stating that it costs pretty much the same to deliver a gallon of gas in Europe as it does in the US. The difference was tax. Europeans pay enormous taxes on their gas.


24 posted on 08/24/2014 4:25:47 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33

Ukraine will force MORE taxes on their people for oil and gas because the EU and IMF makes the rules. Joining the EU isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.


25 posted on 08/24/2014 4:33:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WildWeasel

Our best weapon to hurt Putin is domestic oil and Nat gas production. The President is locked within the left wing paradigm that oil and Nat gas is bad, so unfortunately our best épée apron to hurt Russia is not used.
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Its going to happen anyway in about 10-15 years. But it will happen because of the strategic genius of the American people—from both sides of the political spectrum. not the feds.


26 posted on 08/24/2014 9:48:03 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

If we can get oil down to $80 per barrel they are toast.


27 posted on 08/24/2014 10:23:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ummember when it was 35? We ruled the world without qualms or exception. Life was good.


28 posted on 08/24/2014 10:26:02 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

I remember when I was outraged that I was paying 41 cents per gallon for high test to go in my sports car. LOL!


29 posted on 08/24/2014 10:31:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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30 posted on 08/24/2014 10:54:23 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If we can get oil down to $80 per barrel they are toast.
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That would take the bloom off Russian ambitions. Every dollar oil goes down is about 1.5 billion out of the russian government operating budget. or about 25 to 30 billion out of the russian government budget. they wouldn’t have spare cash for adventures.

On the other hand $80 @ barrel would cap the expansion of US oil production. We would top out about 10 million barrels @ day and remain a net oil importer.

I’m hoping that that oil will not decline to the 80 dollar A barrel range for another 4-5 years because in that time US oil production will have grown to about 13-14 million barrels @ day if oil prices remain high.

that may be wishful thinking.

In any case 5-6 years from now natural gas house trains truck and buses plus electric cars will start to drain demand for oil and force its long term decline.

Oil in 15-20 years won’t be $80 @ barrel. Rather oil will be $35 @ barrel.

There will be no fracking revolution outside of the the USA.


31 posted on 08/24/2014 12:51:57 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: wetphoenix

Even if this sector would be hurt really bad, all they need is to cut some spending or increase taxation for other sectors.
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Yeah I’ve seen the data that Russia’s other sectors outside of oil are enjoying a Renaissance—though they’re not world class industries. I’ve seen too that the Russian oil sector like Mexico funds the Russian government.

I’m hoping that the price of oil will stay high for about 5 years because USA oil production in that time will likely increase another 5 million barrels @day & make the USA oil independent...but only if the PRICE of oil stays high.

A fall of the price of oil to 80@ barrel would likely cap US oil production at about 10 million barrels @ day. and leave the USA net oil importers.

10 years from now however the world will be very different. The rising change over to natural gas building trains trucks and buses plus electric cars is going to eventually erode significantly demand for oil so oil prices will collapse.

imho they’ll wind up at about the $35@ barrel range in current dollars.

imho there will never be a fracking revolution of size outside of the USA.


32 posted on 08/24/2014 12:59:55 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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Part of the problem for the Russians is that many of the wells they rely on for production are located in the Northern part of the country. The oil is relatively heavy and has to be heated just so that it will flow through the pipelines and not congeal during much of the year.

The Russians can not just stop and start production as you might in Texas, Saudi Arabia, or the North Sea. These wells MUST continue to produce just to keep the system functional for future production. If they stop there is a risk of systemic failure when the oil congeals in the pipelines. It is possible to clean out the congealed oil but it takes time and considerable expense.

Therefore, some currently unprofitable wells are kept in service just so they will be available when the price eventually rises.

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33 posted on 08/24/2014 1:20:33 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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Therefore, some currently unprofitable wells are kept in service just so they will be available when the price eventually rises.
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I think we’re currently at peak oil prices. I think the eventual—as in 15 years— price of oil is $35@barrel not $175@barrel.


34 posted on 08/24/2014 2:45:29 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: eyedigress

Ummember when it was 35?
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It will return to $35 but not for another 15-20 years.


35 posted on 08/24/2014 2:46:46 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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