Posted on 08/20/2014 8:52:27 AM PDT by george76
The father of a former UNM women's soccer player says the allegations that surfaced about a hazing incident Sunday night, when freshman players were allegedly forced to drink excessive alcohol, strip naked and sprayed with urine, don't sound too far-fetched.
A police report says two freshmen went to the hospital for intoxication and a third had to be treated by medical responders after Sunday's incident.
The university has cancelled the team's Friday season opener at Texas Tech.
The Albuquerque father, who only wants to be identified as Doug, says his daughter left the UNM women's soccer team and the university after the same sort of freshman initiation last year.
"When I heard the story last night, I thought, 'you know, this is the same type of situation that my daughter was subject to when she entered into the program,'" Doug said.
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What people call hazing is much more brutal than just horseplay. In some cases, boys are sodomizing other boys with objects as a form of hazing. Let’s call it what it is: torture.
Our civilization is going to hell on a bullet train.
Right, Dad. So you said nothing and let it happen to other girls. Coward.
When girls get to be just like the guys, it’s not an improvement.
Why bother going to college anymore...they have lowered the qualities to graduate - there are “brick & mortar” socialist professors - and this type of behavior is sick!
University degrees and attendance was once an honor - but we know who - took control of that environment - and look at what happens!
Sororities and Frat houses are dangerous places anymore!
Perhaps if someone is prosecuted, they will get the message. Maybe kidnapping, coercion, assault? I don’t know what would apply, but possibly something can be made to stick, IMHO.
Out of control and in power Lesbos?
You don't know that. Universities cover these things up.
It goes without saying that it’s a long arduous process for a girl to play soccer with enough skill to get noticed and recruited to a college. Her family and friends are proud. And imagine the reaction of the people who supported her all those years when they find out that the girl who worked so hard to make a college team, had to strip naked, drink a lot of alcohol, and submit to having urine sprayed on her. The harm this type of stupidity causes goes far beyond the college.
My son is in his first week as a freshman Astronautical Engineering student at a very small engineering college. I met him for dinner last night and asked if there were many good volleyball games going in the sand pit outside his apartment. He said they are now, but they’ve been told not to get used to it because the hard studying hasn’t started yet.
I’m more impressed with this school every day.
One of the core problems here is when everything is tied up in a neat little bow as ‘hazing’, the lines become more blurred. Stripped naked with urine thrown on them is not acceptable and is hazing. As other said, fraternities who force sexualized behavior with other pledges, that is clearly hazing.
Unfortunately, when zero tolerance BS comes in to play and freshman or pledges (or whatever) cannot do menial tasks like cleaning or driving upperclassman because they can be shut down for hazing, it makes the whole scenario worse. When everything is hazing, it opens the door for worse things instead of just going after the really bad stuff.
MADD did the same for driving. If one drink is a DUI, there is no difference between one drink and eight, and people make worse decisions. .08 as a DUI with the same penalties as a person who can’t see straight or walk is counter-productive. In both cases, do-gooders end up doing more harm than good.
I know second hand that such a thing occurred in women’s soccer (the excessive drinking only) at a prestigious university in Durham, NC, back in the mid-2000s.
If your tag line is correct (and it is), then the “civilization” is ordained and being managed onto the train.
I figured that out decades ago. I had sense enough to not subject myself to frat hazing in the 70s. I had a friend invited to be a 'little sister' at a fraternity. I tried to warn her off without being too graphic. She learned all she needed to know her first weekend of duty.
Many, many years ago at a college I will not name, a volleyball player’s parents visited her for parents weekend.
After watching the teams two games in which she did not play, her dad confronted her as to why that was the case since she was much better than some of her teammates who played in the matches. It was then that her daughter told him that if a player wasn’t a lesbian, they were, discriminated against, didn’t get playing time, and were not selected for the travelling team.
Her dad decided to stay an extra day to visit the office of the president of the university. By the end of the day, the coaching staff was fired, a new coach hired, and soon thereafter, playing time was based on merit.
Many years ago, there was also a scandal in a particular university’s softball program involving significant conflict between the lesbian and straight players that was so bad the president on the university cancelled the season mid-way through the schedule.
There was also the case of a volleyball coach at a BIG major conference school, who was fired about ten matches into a season while ranked in the top 10 in the nation. She was caught having a VERY personal relationship with one or more of her players.
ROTC students like me spent their spring break at Fort Lewis. The seniors ran the show, and it was a mostly miserable experience. The attitude among underclassmen was "I can't wait for my senior year", for obvious reasons.
We had a tight-knit group in my senior class, approximately 20 of us came in as freshman scholarship cadets, and we lost a couple along the way. After 3 years of that BS at spring camp, we came together and said, "Enough!" We figured we could get more training done by focusing on content vs harassment.
Our professors trusted us, and remained hands-off. We still had our own fun: in four days, several of us filled a 55 gallon drum with empty beer cans. During the training day, we were "strac": alert, boots spit shined, pressed fatigues, etc. We all felt that camp was our crowning achievement.
Our class stood the test of time: one Major General, several Colonels and Lieutenant colonels, for those that stayed in. 1/3 of the class earned their Ranger tabs, while 3/4 earned jump wings.
We've stayed in contact over the years, and we still reminisce about those great times in college. I'm still remembered by my call sign, "Pinball Wizard".
On my return to the States after my tour in Germany, I paid a visit to our Senior Advisor, who would eventually make it to Germany. Prominently displayed on his desk was a photo from that Spring Camp. It's story would take 1000 words. Simply put, it was a picture of five of us who grudgingly got haircuts the first night. I came up with the idea to put the trimmings on wide strips of masking tape, and call them scalps. The picture showed the five of us with really PO'ed looks next to the poster titled "Major Winters' Scalps."
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As I remember, both he and his daughter spoke out about it, but no one seemed to care so she withdrew. I think it only got everyone’s attention now because several students ended up going to the hospital.
Thank you for setting me straight on that.
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