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What Have we Accomplished in Iraq? (Barf Alert!!!)
Townhall.com ^ | August 19, 2014 | Ron Paul

Posted on 08/19/2014 3:50:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: wastoute

Excellent point


21 posted on 08/19/2014 7:53:42 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: FourtySeven
Well the war was a mistake but leaving to soon was a horrible mistake. So IMHO W screwed up but O made W's screw up many times worse. Here is what I would have done once the US was committed to ousting Sadame.

Appoint a military governor to rule Iraq until we decide that Iraqis are capable of self rule (no time table).
Take the oil fields an use the $$$$ to fund the occupation plus a little for the cost of the war.
Insurgents face summery execution if captured alive.
Any all uprisings against US rule are put down with overwhelming force via US air power or artillery. Ground troops for "mopping up" only.
Only allow approved friendly media into Iraq.
Put ordinary Iraqis to work building infrastructure.
Put former military Iraqis to work doing LE.
Insure equal rights for women and an education for girls.
Insure religious freedom for all
Allow Kurds to mostly govern themselves until an all inclusive government can the formed.
Make sure everyone that works/goes to school etc, has food and clean water.

The carrot, you play ball with the US you have plenty to eat and a few bucks in your pocket.
The stick, You oppose the US and you die, period, no exceptions.

22 posted on 08/19/2014 7:57:20 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Kaslin
I wasn't aware that the U.S. military is supposed to be at the beck and call of Islamic governments all over the Middle East.

I do commend you for being honest, though. I contend that the U.S. military has been functioning as the de facto armed forces of powerful royal families in the Middle East for years. This is why, for example, the role of the Saudi royals in the 9/11 attacks has never been objectively assessed.

23 posted on 08/19/2014 7:59:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: FourtySeven
Bush did not leave office before the negotiations for the Status of Forces Agreement. He signed the Status of Forces Agreement himself in December of 2008.
24 posted on 08/19/2014 8:06:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Kaslin
Our brave warriors proved that freedom is possible despite the most evil dictators... but freedom cost blood and that the war is never really over... freedom requires eternal vigilance.

God Bless them all.

25 posted on 08/19/2014 8:07:51 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, you can blame the peanut farmer from Georgia for all of this. It’s because of him that we have trouble with the mooslims


26 posted on 08/19/2014 8:08:10 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: silverleaf

Removing Saddam has been disastrous for the entire region. His removal for payback for Scuds fired on Israel in the first war; nothing to do with US or regional security.


27 posted on 08/19/2014 8:40:03 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: deadrock
We all supported W at the time

No, "we" didn't all. It was a dangerous time to oppose war fever at FR without being banned, but a small number did their best to walk that narrow line.

28 posted on 08/19/2014 8:43:36 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Kaslin

Is that a joke? The Middle East has been a turbulent, unstable region since the fall of the Ottoman Empire after World War I.


29 posted on 08/19/2014 8:49:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Romulus

Amen, brother.


30 posted on 08/19/2014 8:49:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Oh yeah you’re right.

Then Dummy screwed up the renegotiations when he wanted to pull the remaining forces out.

Thanks for the correction.


31 posted on 08/19/2014 8:53:13 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Kaslin
What did we accomplish in Libya? #BARACKOBAMASUNDECLAREDWAR
32 posted on 08/19/2014 9:52:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: Romulus

The whole disaster that was the so-called “Arab Spring” opened my eyes to the fact that trying to bring Democracy to the Arabs was a fool’s errand, and that despots like Saddam, while they are bad guys, are par for the course for the Arab world, just as the case with Assad.....But the alternatives are even worse.


33 posted on 08/19/2014 9:55:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Romulus

um yeah sure

invading a neighboring state over disputed historical territory claims and totally blowing off any shred of credibilty still retained by the UN was certainly not destabilizing to regional security

and the Saudis and other Gulf States (upon whom most of the free world, NOT just the US, depends for energy, and whose oilfields and coastal ports could have also been claimed by Saddam) were quite OK with it - surely Saddam’s invasion wouldn’t have set any precedent for other rogue states if it had not been challenged

major sarc

The SCUD statement (blame the Jooooos) is one of the dumbest accusations I’ve heard since 1992


34 posted on 08/19/2014 10:01:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin
Certain things simply cannot be allowed to pass without comment.

According to estimates, more than one million deaths have occurred as a result of that war.

If Paul means a million casualties or civilian deaths, then the estimate that came up with that figure, that published in Lancet magazine, has become a byword for poor research methodology and is nearly universally recognized as inadequate and wildly inaccurate.

The US overthrew Saddam Hussein in the second Iraq war and put into place a puppet, Nouri al-Maliki.

One difficulty is that for all the noise made about "nation-building" among neocons and others, we actually did allow Maliki and his government sufficient autonomy to refuse us the ability to keep combat units in place, which is a major reason why we were unable to respond the the ISIS offensive. If he's a puppet, he's an awfully poor one.

What we accomplished in Iraq and in Afghanistan as well was to remove two state-level support sources from Islamic terrorism. That continues to be the case despite the current chaos in Iraq, which is trending the other direction, and despite whatever we can call the 0bama administration's "policy" in Afghanistan. That is what we've "accomplished in Iraq".

It is highly disingenuous for Paul to measure our success by our inability to produce peace in the region, something that has never been present going all the way back to ancient Sumeria. That wasn't why we invaded and it isn't something any reasonable person could expect.

35 posted on 08/19/2014 10:05:49 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Romulus

See 17.


36 posted on 08/19/2014 11:02:31 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: silverleaf

In the islamosphere, stability is a relative concept. We had some then. Now we have a shiitestorm that didn’t have to happen. I bet Mr. Netanyahu wishes he could put the clock back twelve years, even if he can’t say so in public. So do I.


37 posted on 08/19/2014 11:41:19 AM PDT by Romulus
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