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Chilling Echoes of Past, as Spain Cranks Up Political Repression
Wolf Street ^ | 08/13/2014 | Don Quijones

Posted on 08/15/2014 11:59:26 AM PDT by aimhigh

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1 posted on 08/15/2014 11:59:26 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Sounds like the US has beaten Spain to that punch.


2 posted on 08/15/2014 12:01:41 PM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: aimhigh

Failing to learn from history demands that you repeat it’s errors..
AND worse... YOU DESERVE IT!..


3 posted on 08/15/2014 12:04:49 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: aimhigh

Just like here in the US, they only needed that small window of so-called “freedom” to usher in acceptance of sodomy, etc. Now that’s been done, they can begin to reel in the real freedom.


4 posted on 08/15/2014 12:09:12 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: aimhigh
Spain should be so lucky as to be run by a new young Francisco Franco. The imposition of Marxism-Leninism on a society by any means including abuses of democracy has a lot worse consequences than preventing people from filming police in action.

I would prefer that police not interfere with such filming but Spain also has a very ugly history of an elected Marxist government sending its "Republican" army out to murder seminarians and priests and rape and murder nuns. It took Franco several years to kill those responsible and restore civilization to Spain, King Juan Carlos has done everything he can to be fashionable and reject the heritage of Franco to Spain's great detriment.

5 posted on 08/15/2014 12:10:38 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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Yes, Juan Carlos seems to have forgotten that Franco (posthumously) restored him to the throne after Reds threw out his grandfather (and removed the monarchy from the Republic;s new flag).


6 posted on 08/15/2014 12:15:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BlackElk

Exactly. Spain was much better of under Franco.

Democracy is doing to the US what is has done to Europe.

Allowing people to vote themselves more goodies at the expense of others.

It never works over the long run. Never has. Never will.

Just look at ancient Rome.


7 posted on 08/15/2014 12:19:24 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: aimhigh

Isn’t Spain’s government Socialist?


8 posted on 08/15/2014 12:33:25 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FREE REPUBLIC: Bring a FRiend!)
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To: aimhigh

What news of Generalissimo Francisco Franco?


9 posted on 08/15/2014 12:56:59 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I knew some Spaniards years ago who lived under Franco. They didn't speak highly of him at all. And they weren't Communists or "Republicans''. Just Catholic middle-class folks.
10 posted on 08/15/2014 1:02:18 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: KC_Lion

This just in: “Francisco Franco is still dead!!’’.


11 posted on 08/15/2014 1:03:24 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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Franco was a monarchist at heart.

It was either him or the Communists.

How do your friends feel about the current situation in Spain?


12 posted on 08/15/2014 1:05:03 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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Haven’t seen them in a while. Got to know them when I was working in New York back in the ‘80’s’’. They were two brothers who were plumbers. They told me in 1938 they left Spain with their parents to live with an uncle in Argentina.After WW2 the two of them came to NYC.


13 posted on 08/15/2014 1:08:03 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I thought the problem was that the people can’t vote themselves our from the EU and the banks that are bleeding them dry.


14 posted on 08/15/2014 1:15:04 PM PDT by grania
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To: jmacusa; kearnyirish2; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
jmacusa:

As a Catholic, I would be the first to say that the Church's worst enemies have usually been found among those tepid souls, often middle class and more often upper middle and upper class who crave the acceptance and approval of secular humanist opinion leaders above all else and sell their Faith for such a mess of pottage. They almost always act inadvertently, being too busy whoring after the approval of their enemies to even bother to understand their Faith. Being really Catholic is just too much trouble. Actually practicing Catholicism far more so.

Such people pave the way for socialists, communists, Spanish "Republicans" and other militant atheists to come to power. When the seminarians and priests are murdered and the nuns are raped and murdered, such people bleat: Well, I never meant for THAT to happen! But they enabled it just the same.

A river of Spanish "Republican," communist, socialist and anarchist blood, mingled with a lesser quantity of Catholic blood was necessary to forcibly remove the former group of four tyrant fraternities from power. Franco had the backbone to make that happen and to vow in about 1939 that so long as he drew breath, Spain would never suffer from political movements again. He made that stick. He was the greatest Spaniard patriot of the last century and Reds everywhere despise his memory for it.

Your acquaintances or those like them in Spain who claim Catholicism while rejecting Franco are foolish and thoughtless people, ungrateful for what liberty Spain still enjoys because of Franco.

15 posted on 08/15/2014 2:52:29 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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The Spanish Civil War lasted from 1935 to April, 1939. Your #13 is the money quote.

Your "Catholic" plumber friends left Spain in 1938 and never returned apparently, having stayed in Argentina through WWII and then moved to NYC.

If they are so Catholic, why wouldn't they return to Franco's quite Catholic Spain?

Why did their family leave when the Spanish Civil War was so close to a Catholic victory?

If they left Spain in 1938 and never returned, then they never lived under Franco, so what makes them experts?

Was theirs a leftist family that saw the handwriting on the wall and got out while the getting was good? Given that they fled Spain 75 years ago, it would be surprising if they are still alive. If they are alive and got out of Spain while the getting was good, it is little surprise that they are scrawling their opposition to Franco on random outhouse walls with a grease pencil.

16 posted on 08/15/2014 3:03:36 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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The war started in July 1936. My in-laws lived there for decades, leaving in the 1960s for economic, not political reasons. They understood what Franco saved them from; their families in Spain through the 1960s were spared the mess occurring elsewhere in Europe and the US.

By 1938, the writing was on the wall for the communists - they had lost the north completely, and were slowly losing ground in the east. Nobody believed in 1938 that Franco wouldn’t win; to the end the communists’ only hope was that the western allies would intervene...


17 posted on 08/15/2014 4:16:57 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
I am not able to tell the whole tale here but one example of Franco's good work was his facilitating the escape of Jews from Europe on a sort of underground railroad through Spain to Spanish Morocco in North Africa and thence to freedom in the West during the Holocaust.

There is a book including such an escape by the very prominent Reichmann family. The senior Mr. Reichmann was from Hungary and had created an egg cartel among all the egg farmers in Central Europe. His wife was from Germany and a member of the Gestetner office machine family. Tey lost at least one son to the Holocaust when he was summarily shot for receiving by mail some chocolate from his mother. The family fled Europe through Spain to Spanish Morocco where they stayed to the end of WWII expending a large amount of money to free fellow Jews and facilitate their escape through Spain. The Reichmanns went to Montreal to live, created a great construction company Olympia and York and made great success by delivering their buildings earlier than agreed, better quality than agreed and for less money than agreed. I am sorry that I do not remember the name of the book. It was written by an apparently non-political business reporter for the Toronto newspaper. There are probably thousands of untold similar stories of those who escaped through Franco Spain.

The treatment of Franco's memory in the West has been a rank disgrace and injustice.

18 posted on 08/15/2014 7:24:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: aimhigh

“Unlike in most other Western nations, Spanish homeowners borrow under a draconian law whereby the bank, after the eviction, saddles ex-homeowners with the debt for life.”

Funny, NOTHING about a gun being held to their heads as they sign the loan documents...


19 posted on 08/15/2014 8:28:19 PM PDT by BobL
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Given the LEFTISTS that always seem to emerge in Spanish speaking countries, I can’t really blame Spain for doing what’s necessary to control them.


20 posted on 08/15/2014 8:30:07 PM PDT by BobL
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