Posted on 08/07/2014 2:05:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The two patients at Emory are so irrelevant.
America is not waiting on those two who are in the top facility, perhaps in the world for Ebola treatment, to decide if America will escape or be affected by Ebola.
Our nation’s fate in regards to Ebola, does not hinge on that special isolation unit accepting two sophisticated patients who treat Ebola themselves.
WHICH IS IT FOLKS, EBOLA IS GOING TO OVERRUN US BECAUSE OF MASS TRAVELERS AND ILLEGALS, OR BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO AT THE EMORY EBOLA CLINIC AND A MISTAKE THERE?
Ben Carson evidently is still thinking small, not exactly presidential material.
Come on, you know the answer to that.
No, that is a sincere question.
What new population have “they” introduced Ebola to?
our advanced ebola clinics????
These folks aren't being put in 'advanced Ebola clinics' - but in regular hospitals - in regular isolation wards. We can't even get a handle on MRSA yet - and it's not an airborne disease - which they say Ebola now is.
Granted, they SHOULD be treated in Ebola Clinics - but those are in Africa and THEY couldn't contain it.
If you know of any 'Ebola Clinics, strictly for treating and containing Ebola in the US - I stand corrected.
We have four special isolation units in the U.S..
The one at Emory was put together 12 years ago for the CDC, which is just down the street from Emory, and I think it is OK to call it an Ebola treatment clinic when Ebola is the disease at hand.
“Atlanta Hospital Deemed 1 of Safest for Ebola Care”
“Emory’s infectious diseases’ unit was created 12 years ago to handle doctors who get sick at the CDC. It is one of about four in the country equipped with everything necessary to test, treat and contain people exposed to very dangerous viruses.
In 2005, it handled patients with SARS, which unlike Ebola can spread when an infected person coughs or sneezes.”
That very well could be, because I’m not exactly sure what the infection is. I’ll plead ignorance here, but it seemed to me it was more of an AIDS type malady. Anotherwords, once positive always positive.
If that’s not the case, and your report is accurate it indeed does seem to address my concern.
If not and it is an AIDS type situation, we’re talking about possible exposure on forward.
I appreciate the response. It did provide an alternative to my premise.
Thanks for the information. RockLobster made a good response also.
The question that came to mind, is if this is like AIDS or is it an actual virus.
If it is a virus, then perhaps there is a window of potential cross infection. Then that window closes.
My concern had been if this was an immune deficiency sort of issue and if it was going to be an ongoing threat.
Both of you seem to believe it is not, and you have posted reasons for your belief.
I hope you’re both right. It would reduce my concern significantly.
Thanks Jedidiah. Check out this post to understand my concern.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3190178/posts?page=48#48
Dr. Carson also believes the Iraq War was a bad idea.
Dr. Carson *must* be aware that every known strain of Ebola and Marburg virus is kept at a facility about an hour or so drive from Johns Hopkins. And that people routinely handle those viruses.
This is just plain silly. Viruses cannot escape from BSL4 containment without help.
Yes, people who recover from Ebola fully recover. The virus can survive for several weeks after symptoms resolve and is contagious, but even those pockets of bodily fluids (breast milk, intraocular fluid, seminal fluid) clear the virus eventually.
The question that came to mind, is if this is like AIDS or is it an actual virus.
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Ebola is a ‘filovirus’ Filoviruses belong to a virus family called Filoviridae and can cause severe hemorrhagic fever in humans and nonhuman primates. So far, only two members of this virus family have been identified: Marburg virus and Ebola virus. Four species of Ebola virus have been identified: Ivory Coast, Sudan, Zaire, and Reston. Ebola-Reston is the only known filovirus that does not cause severe disease in humans; however, it can be fatal in monkeys.
Link: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/Fact_Sheets/Filovirus_Fact_Sheet.pdf
One way I have heard Ebola described is that it does, in a couple of days, what it takes AIDS 10 years to do. I will try to hunt that reference down because I think I saw more info to go along with that. If I find it, I’ll post it to you.
Ebola is a rather simple virus-as simple as a firestorm. It kills humans which swift efficiency and with a devastating range of effects.
Ebola is distantly related to measles, mumps, and rabies. It is also related to certain pneumonia viruses: to the parainfluenza virus, which causes colds in children, and to the respiratory syncytial virus, which can cause fatal pneumonia in a person who has AIDS. In its own evolution through unknown hosts and hidden pathways in the rain forest, Ebola seems to have developed the worst elements of all the above viruses. Like measles, it triggers a rash all over the body. some of its effects resemble rabies-psychosis, madness. Other of its effects look eerily like a bad cold.
The Ebola virus particle contains only seven different proteins-seven large molecules. Three of these proteins are vaguely understood, and four of the proteins are completely unknown-their structure and their function is a mystery. Whatever these Ebola proteins do, they seem to target the immune system for special attack. In this they are like HIV, which also destroys the immune system, but unlike the onset of HIV, the attack of Ebola is explosive. As Ebola sweeps through you, you immune system fails, and you seem to lose your ability to respond to viral attack. Your body becomes a city under seize, with its gates thrown open and hostile armies pouring in, making camp in the public squares and setting everything on fire; and from the moment Ebola enters your blood stream, the ware is already lost; you are almost certainly doomed. You can't fight off Ebola the way you fight off a cold. Ebola does in ten days what it takes AIDS ten years to accomplish.
It is not really known how Ebola is transmitted from person to person. Army researchers believed that Ebola virus traveled through direct contact with blood and bodily fluids (in the same way the AIDS virus travels). Ebola seemed to have other routes of travel as well.
Many of the people in Africa who came down with Ebola had handled Ebola-infected cadavers. It seems that one of Ebola's paths goes from the dead to the living, winding in trickles of uncoagulated blood and slimes that come out of the dead body. In Zaire during the 1976 outbreak, grieving relatives kissed and embraced the dead or prepared the body for burial, and then, three to fourteen days later, they broke with Ebola.
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From the link: The True Story of Ebola in Reston, Virginia
In October 1989 people in the community of Reston, Virginia went about their daily lives not realizing that a serious crisis was developing right in their back yards that would not be entirely resolved until March 1990. It was a serious calamity that could have wiped out the entire population. This dire emergency was described twenty years ago by Richard Preston in his non-fiction book, “The Hot Zone.” The “hot zone” refers to an “area that contains lethal, infectious organisms” also dubbed “hot agent,” an “extremely lethal virus, potentially airborne.” (Richard Preston, The Hot Zone, Random House, New York, 1994, p. 296) The people in the book are real, two victims’ names have been changed, and the narrative and dialogue were masterfully reconstructed from interviews and memories of those who participated in the crises.
Both. Of course the two at Emory are infectious, dangerous. That doesn’t mean that illegals can’t carry it in as well of course.
If we can’t treat two Ebola medical workers at the very clinic that was built especially to treat contaminated CDC researchers, then we may as well hang it up.
No use risking it, bringing it to our country on purpose. It’s not about what we built and for whom, it’s about Ebola’s risk of getting away from us.
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
We already use Ebola in labs around the country for infecting animals and testing, but you want to leave our GIs and CDC workers and missionary doctors to die where they stand if they get sick while not in the United States?
Doesn’t that seem a little primitive and panicky to you, to tell Americans who go overseas to stop it that they are on their own?
Oh Ansel, PLEASE stop lying. No one is saying leave anyone on their own, you’re just being a drama king.
And no, it doesn’t seem primitive or panicky to me. It sounds like you’re making things up to support your shaky position. No one is wanting our fellow Americans to die. They can be treated where they are. As we fly them home, we can certainly treat them over there.
But I think you know that. I believe you know you aren’t making sense, and that’s why you’re making it up as you go, making wacky claims.
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