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For eastern Ukrainians, a growing doubt: Is Russia manipulating us?
csmonitor.com ^ | July 31, 2014 | Scott Peterson

Posted on 07/31/2014 2:02:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

“People were absolutely supportive at the beginning,” says Denis Bigunov, a member of the Slaviansk City Council, referring to the uprising that began here on April 12.

It was particularly seized on, Mr. Bigunov adds, by some groups in Slaviansk that had tried to “popularize this Putin-Soviet idea, used loudspeakers, and gave bullets.” They argued that eastern Ukraine naturally and historically belonged to Russia, just like the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in March.

And Russian television – the staple news source for many eastern Ukrainians – repeatedly stoked fears about Ukrainian killings and atrocities.

“People went mad,” says Bigunov, speaking on a street with crumbling ornate façades from Soviet times. "Everybody was afraid that the Ukrainian Army would come, or right wingers, and would kill all the Russian speakers – they believed Russian TV."

Marina, a woman from Donetsk who once supported the separatists, recalls reports – true or not, she does not know – of Russian speakers being taken off a train and being forced to sing the Ukrainian national anthem.

“These made people angry, which ... created this [anti-Ukrainian] frenzy,” she says.

'Fascism was here' But while many believed that “Russia would help protect them” – per pledges made by Putin – and that the Ukrainian Army was bad “like Nazis,” the rough experience of three months of Russia-backed occupation has soured views about Moscow, says Bigunov.

“People have opened their eyes,” he says. “People used to think that fascism was there [in Kiev], but they found that it was here.”

Marina agrees, saying she is confused by events and the barrage of propaganda that portrays Ukrainian forces as cold-blooded killers. “After awhile we realized we were being manipulated and provoked.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine

1 posted on 07/31/2014 2:02:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Insane in the Ukraine.


2 posted on 07/31/2014 2:14:29 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russian government caught changing Wikipedia entry on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: report

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/russian-government-changing-mh17-wikipedia-entry-article-1.1872864

Russia caught red-handed — again


3 posted on 07/31/2014 2:17:42 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Everybody was afraid that the Ukrainian Army would come, or right wingers, and would kill all the Russian speakers – they believed Russian TV.”

Plenty of Putin loving FReepers are just as stupid as those Russians.


4 posted on 07/31/2014 3:30:13 PM PDT by vladimir998
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C’mon... The real problem for these people is that Ukrainian army and ‘right wing’ militias turned to be as bad as Russian propaganda claimed (their cities ruined and hundreds died) but there wasn’t any direct Russian involvement to protect the East. Now they are angry and looking back for sympathy from their government.


5 posted on 07/31/2014 5:14:11 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: vladimir998
Plenty of Putin loving FReepers are just as stupid as those Russians.

No Doubt.


6 posted on 07/31/2014 5:33:33 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: wetphoenix

C’mon... The real problem for these people is that Ukrainian army and ‘right wing’ militias turned to be as bad as Russian propaganda claimed (their cities ruined and hundreds died) but there wasn’t any direct Russian involvement to protect the East.


That’s a sick lie after Russia murdered 83 kids on MH17. And daily rocket artillery attacks on Ukraine from Russian soil. And Russia sending FSB/GRU/MVD agents and Russian army heavy weapons to kill in Ukraine. ETC. ETC.

How many people died in Sloviansk today? None. Why? No Russians.

Ukrainians now see that Putinists like you are comfortable with murdering thousands of people to achieve political goals. They see that no one died in Donbas until Russians like Girkin arrived to kill and no one dies once they leave.


7 posted on 07/31/2014 6:55:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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The irrepressible Dmytro Chekalkin:

Kiseliov TV announced that ATO fighters in their battle with terrorists are using prohibited, inhumane techniques: they are throwing photos of Miss ‘’No Boobs’’ Moscow 2014 from the air at the russian terrorist camps............


8 posted on 07/31/2014 7:18:59 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: wetphoenix

How many people died in Sloviansk today? None. Why? No Russians.

Ukrainians now see that Putinists like ‘you’ are comfortable with murdering thousands of people to achieve political goals..

YOU AND FRIENDS NEED TO BE COMMITED.......


9 posted on 07/31/2014 7:23:53 PM PDT by hubel458
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"Nobody blames Putin” for the failure of the separatists, asserts Marina. “They think he has lowered pressure and prevented a bigger war that the West wants to impose.”

So typically Russian. They still believe in good Czar, who just does not know about the suffering his representatives are causing to people.

10 posted on 08/01/2014 2:43:29 AM PDT by Krosan
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