Posted on 07/19/2014 9:03:23 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Pat Buchanan’s column, “Is God Now on Russia’s Side?,” is difficult to read and almost laugh-out-loud funny, as Buchanan was once a staunch anti-communist who served President Reagan as his communications director during the Cold War. Buchanan’s opposition to the Evil Empire, as Reagan correctly called it, has given way to an unseemly embrace of former Soviet KGB colonel Vladimir Putin, the virtual dictator of Russia who served the “Evil Empire” for decades.
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“The old moral equivalence argument rears its’ ugly again, only this time from people supposedly on our side. Disheartening, to say the least...”
I hear you. Pretty sad.
Russia is building a coalition of far left and right wing parties across the world, and this rhetoric is part of it.
Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church are as Christian as the anti-Christ, Pat needs better meds.
There is mounting evidence that the Russian govt is involved in organized human sex trafficking. As for some of other claims in article, too strange to comment on, but wouldn’t put anything past Putin and his fellow oligarths.
I see. Your defense of Putin is that someday it may be shown that other people have made similar mistakes.
I think you need to examine for yourself why you have the hots for a proven incompetent like Putin. He's given you lots to think about.
“Your defense of Putin is that someday it may be shown that other people have made similar mistakes.”
Yep...we are giving arms to people that at least as bad. Fortunately for us airliners are not typically flying in missile range of those weapons.
We have NOTHING to be proud of.
Prior and up to the 2000 election, I supported Pat Buchanan. His view that the border was going to be the undoing of the United States resonated with me. I had been coming to the same conclusion since the early 1990s. I thought we must either come to grips with the issues of illegal immigration and what I termed destructive immigration, or we were going to lose our nation.
Here we are today. Who can argue with Buchanan’s and my views on immigration now? Illegals, Islamic peoples, the flooding of towns across America with tens of thousands of people from unique and polar opposite cultures...
Sadly, after 2000 it has been my observation that Buchanan has suffered from a sort of unwinding. He has made a number of unfortunate extrapolations that I disagree(d) with.
This commentary is somewhat of a good example of what I am talking about.
Let’s look at these several comments, or quotes.
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This writer was startled to read in the January-February newsletter from the social conservative World Council of Families in Rockford, Ill., that, of the “10 best trends” in the world in 2013, No. 1 was “Russia Emerges as Pro-Family Leader.”
In 2013, the Kremlin imposed a ban on homosexual propaganda, a ban on abortion advertising, a ban on abortions after 12 weeks and a ban on sacrilegious insults to religious believers.
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Tell me which of us would disagree with these moves. None the less, in life we come to realize that people are multi-faceted. They can do things that are seemingly good one moment, and at the same time do things that are terrible the next.
I don’t read Putin as the great guy some folks do. I don’t read his actions in Crimea or the Ukraine to be pro family. They are pro-Putin in my estimation. The guy seems dedicated to elevated nationalism. My read of this is that he needed accolades reserved for those who exemplify a deep seated love of Mother Russia, and Russians in general.
Due to Putin’s actions, there has been a destabilization in the region. A border conflict is simmering. It wasn’t before. Russian sympathizers are militarized inside the Ukraine. Now even airliners flying over in excess of 30,000 feet are subject to shoot-down.
There was a time when I could respect Putin even if he did have a sordid past. Those days are long gone now. I don’t respect world leaders who don’t respect other nation’s borders. I don’t even respect our own leaders who don’t respect our own borders. Why would I respect Putin?
Buchanan winds up asking whose side God is on now? I think He is on all of humanity’s side. Those who know Him and seek to live Christian lives, are living in accordance with his wishes. I have no doubt there are many in Russia who fall into this category. Good for them.
I’m not buying the idea that Putin is doing God’s will, so the question Buchanan wants us to ponder, is one that can have only one conclusion in my estimation. Putin sealed his fate on the answer earlier this year. That’s a shame really. None the less, it is reality.
Buchanan’s question answers itself, and I’m not convinced Buchanan sees it.
So basically Putin is a good leader because Obama is a bad leader, huh? Brilliant!
Putin sponsors our enemies including jihadists but you can overlook that in your love affair with him.
Do some research on the evangelical church in Russia under Putin and his cohorts in the Russian Orthodox Church, it is damming!
And stop making excuses for this puke Putin, you sound like that idiot on MSNBC.
There are hundreds of millions of Americans who disagree with you.
But, you may be on to something in terms of your understanding your warm feelings for an incompetent jerk like Putin. Other than the fact that Putin is opposing the USA, I don't hear you providing any reasons for those warm feelings. There always seem to be a few folks who at the first sign of trouble rush to embrace and defend our opponents.
Our fight is with both. Why let one of these two enemies continue unopposed, your statement makes no sense if you are serious about protecting this nation.
Oh, sorry, you must have been talking to your navel, you bootlicking Putinista.
Our fight is with both. Why let one of these two enemies continue unopposed, your statement makes no sense if you are serious about protecting this nation.
The only way I can try to protect this nation is to go to the polls and vote, other wise God is the only one who can protect us, if he does not see fit then neither do I.
We should take advise from grand terrorist and enemy of America? Who's friggin side are you on Putinista?
Chasing off vandals and not stopping the terrorist with missiles aimed at your home is nuts!
Well, let's think about this logically here. You asked me to give you a reason to hate Putin. Are we to take from this that you do not oppose Obama, because he is just like Putin, albeit he does not kill journalists? Your reply does not make sense.
Secondly, I am not understanding, again, this false dichotomy where we have to keep going with "Well, Obama is bad too," to everything that is said about Putin.
The United States is not Russia. We still have Cruz, Palin, and other conservatives in the media and government. There are no Cruz's in Russia. It is a one party dictatorship made to look like a multi-party system, with the dictatorship having full control over the media and even over most of its "opposition."
Those who keep making these moral relativistic points about the USA and the "former" Soviet Union are engaging in absurdities.
Not good, but I haven’t seen any stories to that effect, but I have seen a story that said Jews have it better there than since the czars (still not great, but better than before).
Here's a good link to get started:
http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/asia/russia/
As for anti-semetism, I would becareful with this, as members of the regime are, indeed, overtly anti-semitic, although Putin says the opposite. Meanwhile, he is supporting Iran's nuclear program and other anti-Israel states. Russia is the type of country where they always speak out of both sides of their mouth on everything.
This is the first lesson to learn when understanding the strange world of Russia, where nothing is really what it seems.
I don’t know enough there...I would like to know both sides of that.
Some more links for you:
http://www.riskandforecast.com/useruploads/files/pc_flash_report_russian_connection.pdf
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/hungary-s-far-right-backed-by-rolling-moscow-roubles-1.1034539
http://demdigest.net/blog/europes-far-right-putins-western-allies/
These articles are one sided, as they tend to make anyone who is "right" a boogeyman. But Russia's flirtation and support of these parties is part of an overall strategy to converge groups from the right and extreme right with the extreme left in support of Pro-Russian policies.
Not too hot on the nukes, but he actually was working with us to slow things down...until we blamed him for the plane crash.
This is all theater, as Iran has no use for a nuclear facility to begin with, being an oil rich country. It is merely tactics, in collusion with the Iranian regime, to buy time for their nuclear program.
Chasing off vandals and not stopping the terrorist with missiles aimed at your home is nuts!
I see nothing in the original article that suggests Buchanan sees Putin as a cynical "user" of Christianity, but, on the opposite, of actually being its champion, as he says so directly. Can you please provide why you think otherwise?
It seems obvious to me throughout the entire piece - read it again keeping in mind that Putin is USING Christianity
That might be the problem-- "keeping in mind that Putin is using Christianity "(well, this I agree), but in reading it into the writing of Buchananon, where it does not appear to really be.
So what you’re trying to say is that when Obama abuses his power to persecute his political enemies and promote marxism, it’s bad, but when Putin does it, it’s okay.
Don’t waste your time arguing with Putin’s brigade. After all, they get paid by the post. They appear every time something negative has been said about putya then slink back to Mordor. It would be a very educational and informative exercise if the Moderator showed us the originating point of their IP addresses.
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