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DOD: Russian troops mass near Ukraine border
politico.com ^ | 7/18/14 | PHILIP EWING

Posted on 07/18/2014 3:24:44 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

The United States is not planning to give weapons or “lethal” assistance to Ukraine following Thursday’s downing of an airliner in its conflict zone, nor does it plan any major U.S. military response to the crisis, the Pentagon said Friday.

Press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby repeated U.S. calls for a cease-fire in eastern Ukraine but said the “focus” of American assistance to Kiev will remain on non-lethal supplies and equipment, even though he acknowledged Ukraine has asked for both lethal and non-lethal help.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ukraine

1 posted on 07/18/2014 3:24:44 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Barky wagged the dog again. All bark and no bite. He is a toothless liar and insidious coward.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 3:29:07 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Russian forces have been slowly gathering on the Ukrainian Frontier for two weeks now. Nice of Politico to finally start paying attention.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 3:30:37 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I wonder if this is what he meant about being "more flexible after the election"?

They are both Marxists tyrants. Why wouldn't they be working together?

4 posted on 07/18/2014 3:41:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: oldbrowser

Tough choice. Which liar do you believe the most? Which liar is damaging America the most? The one near, or the one afar? Both are manipulating narcissists.

The only thing that will be missing from this crash story is the truth because the parties are, all of them, not credible.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 3:45:31 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The last people we gave heavy weapons to decided to burn down half of Iraq and declare a Caliphate.

If Putin invades Ukraine or part of it, he will suffer somewhat, but this is not worth nuclear war over, as much as John McCain might demand it.

Notice how nobody is talking about the diseased invasion of America by El Salvador?


6 posted on 07/18/2014 3:51:02 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Viennacon
If Putin invades Ukraine or part of it, he will suffer somewhat, but this is not worth nuclear war over, as much as John McCain might demand it.

Spare us the hyperbole. Russia will not nuke us for supplying arms to the Ukrainians, any more than we nuked them for supplying arms to Chile (under Salvador Allende), Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea or North Vietnam.

7 posted on 07/18/2014 5:13:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Russia supplied weapons to separatists. Turned out terribly. We supplied weapons to the Syrian rebels. Turned out terribly.

Perhaps time to keep our weapons to ourselves? Perhaps use them on the Central American countries currently launching an invasion of Texas?


8 posted on 07/18/2014 5:18:10 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: All

Archduke Ferdinand moment?


9 posted on 07/18/2014 5:19:35 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Viennacon
Russia supplied weapons to separatists. Turned out terribly. We supplied weapons to the Syrian rebels. Turned out terribly.

Perhaps time to keep our weapons to ourselves? Perhaps use them on the Central American countries currently launching an invasion of Texas?

Bad outcomes are part of life. We supplied weapons to the Brits. Twice. That turned out pretty well. We supplied weapons to the Afghans. They killed 13K Russians and helped bring the Cold War to an end by sapping them economically and crushing their morale. We supplied weapons to the South Koreans. They kept a chunk of Northeast Asia free of communism. We supplied weapons to the Greeks. They crushed their communist insurgency, thereby preventing yet another addition to the Warsaw Pact. We supplied weapons to the Israelis, preventing them from being overrun during the Yom Kippur War, and practically threatened the Soviets with a nuclear first strike if they intervened. Israel is still around today. We supplied El Salvador and Colombia with weapons. They crushed the Communist movements in their countries, thereby preventing an even more massive outflow of people towards our border.

Bottom line is that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We don't lack resources for controlling our border. What we lack is intent, on the part of our recent presidents, from Clinton through Obama. Until that intent materializes, we will continue to be swamped with illegals. Whether or not illegal immigration is controlled, making Russia's opening moves - in its renewed quest to bring the world under Russian rule - bloody and costly remains an important American interest, given that we are part of that world they'd like to put under the Russian boot.

10 posted on 07/18/2014 5:34:04 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Damn fine post. Amen!


11 posted on 07/18/2014 5:36:21 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Zhang Fei
making Russia's opening moves - in its renewed quest to bring the world under Russian rule - bloody and costly remains an important American interest

Which is exactly why the CPUSA in control of the WH in DC is doing everything possible to let their comrades in Russia skate.

We haven't had a POTUS that made looking out for USA interests as job number one since Reagan.

12 posted on 07/18/2014 5:42:35 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: dforest
The only thing that will be missing from this crash story is the truth because the parties are, all of them, not credible.

Easy for a lying, dedicated Putinista for you to say, since you don't want anyone actually believing Putin's people shot down an airplane with innocent people. But the joke's on you, since pictures and Russkies dancing for joy as they shoot down an airline, do not lie.

13 posted on 07/18/2014 5:49:48 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Viennacon

If not now when? When they are invading Paris? Whether you believe in God or not, the fact is we have to stand for something, if Russia thinks it can boss it’s neighbors around we need to stand in it’s way. I realize as a 37 year old arm chair quarterback that is easy to say, I may not have to spill my own blood, however, given that I still believe that the right thing to do is pretend it’s the cold war all over again, we need to roll up a multitude of armor divisions up against Russian borders, we need the Air force to buzz the borders, we need to let the Russians know we will not tolerate this non-sense of invading neighbors. This includes at home against an unarmed invasion of immigrants. We need a leader that is capable of this and a country that can elect that leader. If not, instead of thousands or tens of thousands of causalities, we will be facing ten of millions, maybe even hundreds of million of dead people around the globe.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 6:25:02 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

Cannot trust Obama and the current defense department to do that. Did you see who was just promoted to 4 star general? A woman with ZERO combat experience, JUST BECAUSE she was a woman and black, as part of ‘diversity hiring’.

Our military has been hollowed out, the best generals and commanders relieved of duty in the wake of DADT repeal and other assorted Marxist social engineering.

Your military is trained that the ‘Founding Fathers would not be welcome in it’, that terrorist organizations include Catholics and Evangelicals. This is Obama’s military now and they will not stop Putin any more than they will stop Baghdadi. The admin even take care of the vets for crying out loud!


15 posted on 07/18/2014 6:37:51 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Global Tranquility


16 posted on 07/18/2014 6:39:09 PM PDT by Buck-I-Guy
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Hey Mr Obama, I just called the 80’s, I want my President back...


17 posted on 07/18/2014 7:29:59 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Outstanding comment that makes me wish FR had a "like" button.

You are especially correct with regard to Columbia, which was a huge success, and is a very pro-America nation among hostile neighbors.

18 posted on 07/18/2014 9:41:56 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Zhang Fei

Hyperbole aside, a confrontation between a resurgent Russia operating on its own nearby soil and American interests there - whatever that may be - can escalate and have nasty consequences.
Nobody thought that shooting one little government official in serbia would destabilize the world for 40 or 50 years either.

Russia can easily back out of it’s two faced help via a via Iran and a nuclear Iran will be a nightmare.

There are many other options as well not to mention the disaster of America interests being kicked aside as Russian forces do as they please there.
Now if you want to destabilize that area of the world - and that may be a credible goal - for the next 20 years, then yes, pour in arms next to Russian territory.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 6:32:59 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: oldbrowser
I wonder if this is what he meant about being "more flexible after the election"? They are both Marxists tyrants. Why wouldn't they be working together?

That would explain a lot of what Obama and Putin have done in last 5 years.

20 posted on 07/19/2014 10:06:29 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Kudos on your post ... wake these imbeciles up. Comparing giving weapons to the Ukrainians with giving weapons to Muslims is moronic.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 10:11:25 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: dforest

Why do we care about the Ukraine, they have no treaty of mutual defense with us, and frankly the war upon our freedom at home is all but certainty to render us even more a virtual slave than even Russia conquering whole of the world.

So frankly I don’t care, there is nothing we could possibly lose that we aren’t already going losing anyway becase of Obama, and his all out war upon the very foundation of our country and freedom.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 11:15:02 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Agreed.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 11:23:37 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Monorprise
Why do we care about the Ukraine, they have no treaty of mutual defense with us, and frankly the war upon our freedom at home is all but certainty to render us even more a virtual slave than even Russia conquering whole of the world. So frankly I don’t care, there is nothing we could possibly lose that we aren’t already going losing anyway becase of Obama, and his all out war upon the very foundation of our country and freedom.

And that is what Putin and his mole Obama are counting on. You are as useless to our fight for freedom as tits on a bull!

24 posted on 07/19/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

In case you missed it, your leader is Obama. He is not vested in your fight for freedom. He has taken your sovereignty and your money and your freedom and he intends to take your guns. That is your last line of defense against a totalitarian regime. Now who’s freedom are we fighting for, ours or somebody elses?

Nnot to mention, Obama is going to do nothing other than some symbolic gestures at the UN.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 12:22:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

How can you be so right on Obama and miss the direct threat to us from the Russians under Putin?


26 posted on 07/19/2014 2:23:38 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

Mainly because I don’t see a direct threat. Do you know what a direct threat is?

Anyhow, I am done with this. Obama will decide and ain’t a thing I can do about it. About like everything else.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 2:28:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: free_life

“And that is what Putin and his mole Obama are counting on. You are as useless to our fight for freedom as tits on a bull!”

I don’t pretend to know what goes on in either of their minds, although i have little doubt that Putin has as much desire for us to leave him alone as we do to to be left alone by the likes of him and Obama.

In either case I have to think for myself and weigh the costs & risk of involvement vs the reward. Unfortunately I see little to no reward in defending eastern Ukraine, as you can couldn’t on Ukraine not rising to our defense should we ever need it. Indeed if anything we only alienate Russia whom we actually Do need in balancing the growth of Communist china. Not to mention in controlling Iran. Ukraine has not, cannot, and will never be able to help us with any of theses real threats to America.

Russia on the other hand has helped us and they will help us in the future(if we don’t become full blown enemies again).

Not to put it too bluntly but Ukraine is expendable, they don’t have anything we need, and they can offer nothing we we want or will need. The only reason Obama is even lifting a finger in their defense is because of some foolish notion of global solitary against territorial bondries changes which don’t make any sense to me. Even if Crimina wasn’t majority ethic Russian or part of Russia for most of the last 200 years I wouldn’t care which country owns it.

What is important is our relations with Russia down the line in dealing with growing threats in the east and middle east.

Sometimes you have to make friends with folk you don’t perfectly agree with in order to manage folk who could pose a real threat later on. Putin wont be around forever but Russia will not forget how we treat them today.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 2:52:03 PM PDT by Monorprise
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