Southern Baptists Face a Moment of Decision on Gay Marriage

Christian News ^ | June 2, 2014 | Al Mohler

[HangingTuff]

No church is immune. Our denomination ( Mennonite ) is going through the same issue. The traditional churches will be breaking off from those that are deciding to affirm the gay lifestyle.

[snoringbear]

“This is already happening in other denominations, and persecution for not cooperating with the homosexual community’s agenda will come. This will result in the true Church being purged of non-Christians, and with the deadwood identified and removed from the Church, with God’s help, may even be more effective in a spiritual revival. Romans 8:28. Something to look forward to. Let’s roll!”

Very pragmatic.

[Ramonne]

A head confession does not make a heart converstion. Once saved is always saved, but if it still walks like a duck it is still a duck.

[ThisLittleLightofMine]

1 John 5:13, we can know we have eternal life.

[Genoa]

1 John 5:13, we can know we have eternal life.

Let's look at the passage:

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Does that say we can know we will always have eternal life? Or is it saying that someone can have present assurance based on the fact that they believe? If someone can think they're saved, but then it turns out they were never really saved, what kind of assurance is that?

[robowombat]

’ I said either Jesus is a liar or he’s not, which is it? ‘
Interesting. What answer did you get. Even though I am secular I pose this one to the irreligious from time to time. Aside from cacophonous cursing I have gotten the following comeback (s).
Jesus was deluded a half crazed ‘wonder working rabbi’ quite common on the fringes of Judaism.
or
‘Jesus might not have been a nut case crackpot philosopher and prophet but the people who edited the texts to create the Orthodox New Testament were indeed liars manipulating words to have a slick synthetic product to lock the masses in place.

Unless one is deeply read in New Testament studies and classical philology the only comeback is the ‘Testimony of Faith’ which is useless on those who are very proud of having faith only in what can be seen, touched, smelled and tasted.

[JSDude1]

This shows a sickness in our preaching, and in our churches. They aren’t preaching the Word of God, if they come to a conclusion that open and non repentant same sex attraction is ok.

They’ve lost the message that Christ can save from this type of life, and does heal and save. They’ve lost the message of the Holy nature of God!

-JS Most of all they’ve lost what it means to be truly saved by Christ (the way He said it John 3).

[Bulwyf]

Most people don’t like it when I ask them that, because it forces the issue. All of Christianity is built on Christ, and if he’s a liar, it’s all a farce. However, many very smart men including CS Lewis had devoted their lives to disproving Jesus and ended up becoming followers. Why is that? It’s the truth that’s why. Romans even have records of crucifying Jesus.

I don’t think his disciples would of died for a lie either. They witnessed a lot of these things then wrote about it, and all but one was martyred. I don’t think they’d openly die for what they knew was a lie.

For me the evidence is all around. Life is far too complicated to just have happened. Look at how simple a house is, yet someone designed and made it, imagine how much more complicated life is.

Eventually, near the end of the new testament it says that every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess. That’s not just believers, that’s everyone.

This person just gets mad and storms off, but it’s not for me to convince. I can put the word out, but it’s the Holy Spirit who changes a person.

Whatever you believe, I pray that he opens your eyes to the truth. He loves us all and wants a personal relationship. He knew you and me before we were even born. It still blows my mind to think he died for my sins when I sure as heck didn’t deserve it. The battle over death is already won, and we need not fear it, there is freedom and salvation in the truth. The kind of freedom nobody, not even an oppressive government can take away.

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[FourtySeven]

I just posted this to a related thread:

Something incredibly powerful is moving with this homosexuality push in the last decade. Things are happening with increasing regularity, that just a few years ago no one could have dreamed.

It’s coming to a point where conservatives like here on FR and a few other places are finding themselves in a smaller and smaller minority. Either we have this whole thing all wrong, or the world really is becoming as Satanic and apathetic as is foretold for the end times.

It’s astounding.

And I’ll add now: chilling.

[righttackle44]

The SBC openly chose sin when it refused to speak clearly on the sin of sending children to government schools

Interesting that I find nothing in Scripture about the sin of sending children to government schools. I do find in Romans, Chapter 13. about yielding to the authorities placed over us. Then I read in the Proverbs that we parents are responsible for the raising of our children in our own homes in a godly manner.

But I still keep missing the passage that talks about now sinful it is to send children to government schools.

[Wiser now]

Thank you, I appreciate the prayers of others. Her ‘wife’ is an atheist. She is a subject of prayer too, whether she likes it or not. I refuse to disown her because I want her to know she, or they, can come home when they respond to God’s call to repentance.

[righttackle44]

There is no Baptist Church church. There are Baptist churches that cooperate with the national and state Southern Baptist conventions. Each member of a Baptist church is his own priest (the doctrine of Priesthood of the Believer). So I am responsible for my own actions and beliefs before the Lord.

If those actions or my public declaration of ungodly belief, or my ungodly actions, reflect poorly on Christ or my church, then the church has every right and responsibility, to withdraw fellowship from me. If my church drops into ungodly activities and doctrine, then it is my responsibility to decide when I withdraw fellowship from that church and leave it.

There is no special type of libertarianism alongside of it. Your statement is very much like saying, Within the classification of unleaded gasoline, there is a special type of unleaded gasoline. It makes no sense whatever.

[achilles2000]

The Bible speaks plainly on how children are to be raised, and it doesn’t include sending children to be trained up by a pagan government school system. There are many books, articles, and sermons that address this topic, which you can easily find. As for Romans 13, your brief comment would appear to indicate that you think Christians should submit to Nazis, Communists, pedophiles, etc, as long as they call themselves “authorities. I am sure that you can’t possibly have such a thoughtless position. It certainly wouldn’t be biblical, and there is an extensive literature on this subject that the Founding generation was well acquainted with.

[chesley]

The church will be disfellowshipped, I bet

[righttackle44]

Your church is correct. You are in error. We only have responsibility to fulfill the teachings of Scripture. And the Scriptures teach that, once one becomes locked in the hand of Jesus Christ, John 10:27-30, no one, including one's self, can snatch him out of That Hand.

If a person truly believes and comes to Christ, and then chooses not to believe in Christ, God still gives grace. The person is still saved. (And rewards WILL be lost.)

[chesley]

I fail to see the connection.

Besides, they’r right.

[PeterPrinciple]

If a person truly believes and comes to Christ, and then chooses not to believe in Christ,

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I would doubt that person “truly believes” if later he rejects Christ, wouldn’t you?

[Genoa]

The person is still saved.

Amazing! It's the sinner's choice to begin with, but never again? Or is it God forcing him from start to finish?

[chesley]

Amen to that. And if they were, then they will return toChrist before death.