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Obama is Not a Socialist
capitalismmagazine.com ^ | 5/31/2014 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 06/02/2014 7:13:20 AM PDT by rktman

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21 posted on 06/02/2014 7:34:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: rktman

Government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands is fascism. For Obama, like with ObamaCare, this is a step toward full socialism. The goal is socialism, the means to get there is fascism. This doesn’t mean that Obama is not a socialist. He is. It’s a question of how to manage the transition.


22 posted on 06/02/2014 7:41:25 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: rktman

Obama IS a Communist, Marxist, Socialist....whichever term you like to use.

Then again, so are most of the people in his Party.

So....what’s new?


23 posted on 06/02/2014 7:45:25 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: joshua c

Those who seek power and control do so in order to do evil to their fellow man,

and it’s all the more insidious in that they have convinced their sheeperal supporters to give them control in order to do good.


24 posted on 06/02/2014 7:49:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rktman

Too radical to be socialist, the Current Occupant now squatting in the White Hut even shames the bright promises of full-blown Marxist Communism. There has always been the complaint by socialists and their supporters that socialism can work, if only the right people can be put in place to make it work.

Current Occupant is simply not that person. He has skated as far as he has, by appealing to other baser instincts, claiming that to “resist” his agenda is somehow racist, or worse, and calling objections raised to his signature piece of legislation, the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010”, as “politically motivated”.

But in a very real sense, he has divided the country in ways not seen since the days of “Jim Crow”, turning it into a sort of “Crow Jim”. Whites and Christians are now the despised class, confronted with assaults on their sensibilities, subject to defamation and unrelenting verbal attacks, which occasionally escalate into violence, though not yet on much of a widespread basis.

The “black theology” thread that runs through much of this agenda of the Current Regime owes much of its roots to a fusion of some elements taken from Christianity, with a large mixture of Black Muslim ideology, combining this with a “social justice” practice that also folds a variety of socialism. One that is more than ready to proceed with a strong-arm force that is supposed to be as well-funded, and as capable, as the Constitutionally-based Federal military, that has existed since the founding of this nation.

This “National Civilian Security Force” is even now being funded and armed, under the guise of being an “enforcement” arm of the Department of Homeland Security, with an intelligence network that dwarfs anything known under the Nationalist Socialist government of the Third Reich, working through the NSA. The “Geheime-Staats-Polizei” was severely limited in that they had only the technology of typewriters and paper on which to make their lists, and listening in physically on telephone calls or opening mail and reading through, taking notes as they did so. They were also reduced to actual physical questioning of suspects, in an effort to be “fully informed” on the potential of threats to the Fatherland.


25 posted on 06/02/2014 7:51:28 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: rktman
The 2008 economic meltdown worked exactly like this.


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06/01/2014: LINK  LINK to regular sized version of Ramirez's latest, and an archive of his political cartoons.

In this political cartoon, Ramirez presents, "Obamanomics"



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26 posted on 06/02/2014 7:52:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: ArtDodger; All

The development of a Fascist State like Hitler had in 1930’s Germany, and what Obama almost has now in the nearly former USA, depends upon opposition leaders who refuse to lead the opposition, but continue to stay in power by support of their morally weak supporters.

The last attempt to oppose Obama failed when Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and McCain caved in to the stonewalling refusal to negotiate by Reid and Obama in late 2013 and early 2014.

Until effective voter pressure can be brought to bear on the Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to replace the Republican Leadership in the House and Senate, Obama will continue to “Fundamentally transform the United States of America” into the most powerful Fascist Empire that the World has ever known.

Will these opposition Congressmen and women act before the November 2014 Election, or will they continue to wait to lose again, as usual, to the Left Wing, low information Voter in November, 2014?

BTW, money and reason are wasted on multimillionaire career politicians as they cannot be bought or convinced - - - they are the hardened professional criminal politicians that we have, for decades, elected and tolerated, gratefully for the “free” stuff that they have bought our votes with.

Obama is just doing as he was raised up to do, and will never change.

Our opposition Republican Leaders are doing everything that they can to make sure Obama is successful, and they will never change.

The change must come from opposition House Members and Senators in “both” parties, before low-information voters have made up their minds about whether or not to continue the status quo.

The Summer of 2014 is the last chance for We, the People to force our House and Senate Members to change their leadership before Labor Day, 2014, when early voting begins?

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Word for Today:
“ Fascism: Noun. - - - A system of Government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of the opposition - - - “

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27 posted on 06/02/2014 7:55:03 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: alloysteel

Just a little web searching about BLT (Black Liberation Theology) could/would be a real eye opener to folks. I did some looking back in ‘07 when the lyin’king raised his ugly head and info about jerry wright’s leanings. BLT is some scary stuff but gets a pass due to it’s religious aspects. At our peril.


28 posted on 06/02/2014 7:57:03 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“It become tedious after a while arguing over the miniscule differences between Communists, Socialists, Marxists, Liberals, and Democrats.”

To which you should add RINO Republicans.


29 posted on 06/02/2014 7:57:25 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus)
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To: rktman

“government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands.”

Goodness me, now that’s the very definition of fascism, isn’t it?


30 posted on 06/02/2014 7:57:31 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: MrB

In late 1993 or early 1994 a Holocaust survivor told me the Clintons, contrary to the popular belief the Clintons were communist, were taking the country to Nazism.

Zippo was born to a communist, raised by communist, and has never associated with anyone but communist.

He wouldn’t change from communist beliefs and turn to fascism all on his own.

Zippo is pushing Hillary’s agenda that’s called “The Third Way”.


31 posted on 06/02/2014 8:02:20 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek

As well as globalists and Internationalists, which is what our past 4 presidents have called themselves


32 posted on 06/02/2014 8:02:30 AM PDT by winodog
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To: cripplecreek
There are major differences between the various Leftist movements, but an ocean of difference between any of them & traditional American values.

All the movements you describe are premised upon utilitarian concepts, which assume that the individual is always secondary to the collective. They are also, basically humanist--although the "parlor pink" variety may not want to claim their veritable "soul brothers."

It is however a mistake to confuse the National Socialism of Germany with Italian Fascism. While Mussolini started out as a Socialist, he moved somewhat towards the Right when he launched his "Black Shirts,'' so while a bully & totalitarian, he never embraced the monolithic socialism of Hitler & Goebbels. Thus, after the fall of Sicily to the allies, the King was able to fire Mussolini.

The point is important, because Obama, while assuming Mussolini's facial angle, has much more closely embraced the Hitlerian formula for the pursuit of power. In Italy, the businesses had more of a say in the overall control than in Germany, where they were reduced to puppets for the centrally decreed value system.

It went under-noticed, but didn't Michelle Obama call fro a system somewhat similar to the Nazi, where children would report their parents for incorrect thoughts, in a recent commencement address? Obama's demonizing 1% of the population, as his chosen scape-goat, is the same formula as Hitler applied when he took up Karl Marx's idea of using the German Jews as a scape goat. And see, generally, Leftwing Chickens Coming Home.

It is not just the increasing striving for thought control, that tips off what is devolving upon us; but consider the way Obama has marketed his wares--for an obvious example, adjourning the 2008 Convention from a Convention Hall to a large stadium, for the leader's acceptance speech. (For those who do not recognize the benefits to one seeking a totalitarian approach to government, being part of a huge crowd, chanting in unison, creates the impression of invincibility--the Nazi answer to the marching automatons in a Red Square May Day parade.)

William Flax

33 posted on 06/02/2014 8:04:07 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: rktman

True. He is a Fascist.


34 posted on 06/02/2014 8:05:12 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: rktman

Of course not......remember?.... he’s black


35 posted on 06/02/2014 8:07:39 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: IMR 4350
The "Third Way," basically is the fascist way. National Socialism is clearly further Left. The battle in the streets of Germany during the early Depression, was between the two most vicious Leftist movements, the Communists & the National Socialists. Many people flipped back & forth between the two, in an intense competition to appeal to the mob.

While Hitler later turned on his own Leftwing, when he found that he could seduce the Prussian Junker class, or many of them, that he was really only a patriotic German, the original plan of Hitler & his closest allies (Roehm & Goebbels) was to go after the landed aristocracy in a replica of Bolshevism, once they had succeeded in destroying the position of German Jewry. Conversely, after the War, the Bolsheviks had no problem recruiting former Nazis into the Secret Police in East Germany.

The best way to understand German National Socialism would be as "Bolshevism Light,"

For further material on just how Leftist the Nazis were, see The Lies Of Socialism.

My point is that for Obama to move from a Communist to a National Socialist model, would not involve a major ideological switch to anyone who recognizes the roots of National Socialism.

William Flax

36 posted on 06/02/2014 8:23:18 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: rktman

He’s really a national socialist. He promotes a command and control economy that serves the needs of the state.

Rewards big donors: The Warren Buffet types and other big hedge funds, Google, phony green companies, etc.
Rewards the government foot soldiers/party members: TSA, EPA workers, teachers, auto unions, SEIU etc
Promotes racial ideology to divide: anti-Christian, promotes special status for blacks, gays and illegal aliens from Latin America.

Rewards big business allies: Krupp, Benz, Hugo Boss
Rewards government foots soldiers/party members: Brownshirts, domestic police units, bureaucrats
Promotes racial ideology to divide: anti-Jewish, anti- slav, pro-Aryan.


37 posted on 06/02/2014 8:24:20 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: rktman

While he explained “public-private partnerships” to a ‘T’, their proper label is “fascist economics”.

Because of FDR’s embrace of a lot of these ideas, their connection with fascism has been downplayed, and the aggression and genocide emphasized, as if that was all there was to it.

Yet if you study the “social fascism” of the rising Nazi party, you will find a lot of uncomfortable parallels with our economy today.

But there is nothing innocuous or virtuous about National Socialism. Their ideas were just as sloppy, malignant, spendthrift, and chaotic as are those from ordinary socialists.


38 posted on 06/02/2014 8:28:45 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes, this was Hitler’s economic system. Ludwig von Mises called it Zwangswirtschaft, which in German means “forced economy.” In other words, it is economy run by command from the rulers. It is not a market economy. It is not “capitalism.”

Hitler sidelined his more conservative economist, Hjalmar Schacht, who (though a party member) opposed the anti-Jewish propaganda (and actually gave an open speech against it), opposed the rearmament policy, and favored a more market-based economy.

Contrary to what many accounts still assume, the Nazi economy from then on was not a success. The leaders were worried that they were likely to become much less popular as a result, which was one of their motivations for choosing guns over butter.

The name of the Nazi party is National Socialist; their flag was red (the socialist color, with the swastika added); they promised welfare for the poor; they ran (themed-approved) vacations for workers; they even planned mass housing projects (copying the plan of the “Red Vienna” neighborhood) and a worker’s car (the KdF “Strength through Joy” car, later known as the Volkswagen “people‘s car.”). Some of the Nazi songs were even reworked from old socialist anthems. Many of their members came originally from other socialist parties, who converted by preference, or when they sensed which way the wind was blowing.

So why do people call the Nazis “right”? There are essentially two reasons. First, when they began to win seats in the Reichstag, the authorities were uncertain where to put them, and rather arbitrarily placed them on the right side in seating because of their obvious nationalistic leanings. The Nazis did not mind, because it set them apart from other socialists. Second, the communists have always tried to make themselves look different, or even opposite to the Nazis: they don’t like people noticing the similarity. They always propagandize how they (the communists) were “anti-fascists.” It was a rivalry of socialist brands. Obviously, in general a nationalist dictator-leader is preferred by most populations to a distant international dictator (like Stalin). It takes a lot of ideological therapy to become an international socialist; it is much easier to become a populist nationalistic socialist. That is why various forms of nationalistic socialism are predominant in the world even today.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 8:39:43 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: rktman
What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands.

= de facto socialism = fascism

communism = de jure socialism

40 posted on 06/02/2014 8:42:19 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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