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Lawyer: Family Warned Cops Before Calif. Rampage
USA Today | Saturday, May 24, 1014 | Oren Dorell and William M. Welch

Posted on 05/24/2014 1:50:20 PM PDT by kristinn

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; elliotrodger; elliotrodgers; leounionfailed; santabarbara; unionfail
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To: andyk

Nice to make your acquaintance too.


61 posted on 05/24/2014 2:56:04 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: Hot Tabasco

I know. They dumped all my saved videos when they took over.


62 posted on 05/24/2014 2:56:13 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: NYAmerican

Diverse opinion is good, no?


63 posted on 05/24/2014 2:57:43 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: sagar

My oldest sister developed mental problems a little less than 40 years ago. She has been taking medication for her condition since then, during which time she finished college, attended nursing school, and worked as a registered nurse for over 30 years. She also married and raised a family, and has never attacked or injured anyone. According to you, she should have been locked up for most of her life instead.

I will refrain from expressing my personal opinion of you and those on this thread who have agreed with your position.


64 posted on 05/24/2014 3:00:51 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: cripplecreek

Sounds to me like that guy needed an exorcism more than a mental hospital. In fact, lots of them need exorcisms.


65 posted on 05/24/2014 3:01:24 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Absolutely. But is diversity of opinion the same as hypocrisy? A question for minds more advanced than mine I’m afraid..........


66 posted on 05/24/2014 3:09:59 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: kristinn
Police interviewed him and said he was a nice boy.

Yeah. This must have been after the psych eval.

Police interviewed Elliot Rodger and found him to be a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human," Shifman said.


67 posted on 05/24/2014 3:18:01 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Can’t. States don’t have the money and the ACLU says its unfair that they’re locked up.
-=0=-
In the ‘old’ days, daddy or an uncle would treat him to a hunting accident. A boy’s first pheasant was more than just a rite of passage.


68 posted on 05/24/2014 3:18:45 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: kristinn

Just what ere the cops supposed to do...if no law was broken...their hands are tied...a psych interview would be more appropriate. Cops can’t take people into custody because he made/watched videos... The person must demonstrate in front of them that they are a danger to themselves or others...immediate danger. Cops follow law...get blamed...cops don’t follow law...get blamed...


69 posted on 05/24/2014 3:19:32 PM PDT by bike800
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To: LdSentinal

there is no legal definition of “evil”, except in a theocracy.


70 posted on 05/24/2014 3:22:30 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: kristinn

clearly a case of homicidal horniness .

his dad should have packed him off to Bangkok for several
months , he would have come back a changed boy ....


71 posted on 05/24/2014 3:24:41 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: kristinn

Family lawyer says they warned police. Police interviewed him and said he was a nice boy.

**That’s usually the MO..nice boy, quiet, outcast, kept to himself etc..
I have personally dealt with a sibling of mine for years, mental illness. We have no idea if he’s taking meds because he doesn’t talk, he’s very unstable & never know what mood he’s going to be in. It’s a frustrating situation & unless he does something to himself or someone else, can’t really do anything since he’s an adult. My parents are no help, they just ignore & act like nothings wrong.
I have learned to try not to make sense of things that don’t make sense. Meaning, my brother is just wired different than most people, we have no idea what goes through his mind or how he processes things. I’m just worried about the one day when he’ll finally snap & who knows what will set him off..


72 posted on 05/24/2014 3:25:22 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: bike800

We have friends who have a bipolar young relative, a college student, who sometimes stays with them during school vacation. They have had to call the police three times during her visits when she has had problems. The police in their Socal town have a special squad that deals with these complaints,if available. They are good at evaluating people and then arranging the temporary psych stay if they think it is necessary. Standard questions are asked about weapons and suicide etc. If there are written or spoken threats of suicide or violence to others..it always results in a trip the the ward and evaluation.
So far it has worked in this case..they get her meds sorted and she is back on the street. Without this handling however, things could go really bad. If this kid discussed anything like what his tape showed..he should have been taken in and evaluated and I think they could have searched his apartment for a gun.


73 posted on 05/24/2014 3:29:07 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: HalfIrish
Here’s a link to an interview of the murderer’s atheist, God-hating father. Gee, I wonder why the kid had no morals or direction?

I'm not sure yet I want to watch it...

I just can't wrap my mind around how any human parents can conceive and raise such a self centered, indulged (BMW?) delusional insane individual.
Hard to tell if the killer was the result of his insanity, or if his insanity was the result of his home environment.

74 posted on 05/24/2014 3:53:27 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Misterioso
What I can’t understand is why the media has no interest in the type of firearm used, that I have seen, at least.

Just stand by.
CNN just had an interview by the parent of one of the vitims, and it sounded like the prepared, prepackagaed irrational diatribe by the killer himself...

...aimed at the NRA and the governments that allow the Second Amendment to exist.

I totally acknowledge the pain and irrationality that such a tragedy can cause, but not all victims are susceptible to being used as a tool by the Brady Bunch and other anti-gun nut cases.

Dignity can coexist with profound pain.
I have seen it more than once.

The parent (Christopher Matinez's Father) cited above on CNN, I suppose, would be less distraught and irrational, had the killer been using an axe for his dirty deeds. That he seems to have been coached or led by seriously anti-gun group or groups, is nakedly obvious.

75 posted on 05/24/2014 4:09:11 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: silverleaf

I doubt it...I would imagine that any thought of God disappeared from his mind decades ago. Probably encouraged his son to “find his own way” spiritually as well. We see how that parenting approach worked out.


76 posted on 05/24/2014 4:21:41 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Alberta's Child
That’s exactly why the first thing any totalitarian government usually does in tough economic times is make the mentally ill disappear.

No.
That is never the first.

Disarming everyone is always the first.

77 posted on 05/24/2014 4:25:14 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Veggie Todd
Family members didn’t think to grab his gun?

You are presuming a whole bunch.

Where did the nut get the gun?
Was it legal and registered to him?
Was someone unconscious and negligent? Special with a spoiled mental case in the home?br>Was the gun "borrowed" from a buddy?
What?

78 posted on 05/24/2014 4:29:36 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: NYAmerican
The last time I posted here supporting firearm license suspension upon becoming the subject of an issued order of protection (loosely, but not directly related to this case), I was attacked unmercifully here for being a communist gun confiscator. Now, everyone wants to blame the cops for NOT detaining or confiscating this guys guns upon a concerned call to police from family members. Besides cowardly monday morning quarterbacking and blaming Cops for EVERYTHING, what do we REALLY want?

How about circumspection, rationality and common sense? Is that too much to ask?

Yo DO realize that an issued "order of protection" can come about as a result of perjury, external insanity by the accuser and there would be unjust and unjustified quarterbacking of another kind?

The problem with kneejerk reactions, is that they are most often irrational in themselves.

79 posted on 05/24/2014 4:39:10 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: null and void

“It is possible to have someone committed on a 72 hour psych hold (A 5150). I had to do it twice on a roommate.

Not true everywhere.


80 posted on 05/24/2014 4:43:35 PM PDT by FR_addict
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