Posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by marthemaria
“Wormholes are more than a theoretical construct.”
Sure, they are more than theoretical, but still useless for travel purposes. You could jump into a wormhole that is connected to another wormhole lightyears away, but you could never get out of the wormhole, so it’s a dead end for us.
“All of them would have the same potential for some relationship with God as humans.
It is possible, if such rational animals exist, that some of them have never sinned.”
If they had sinned, though, they could not simply be redeemed by Jesus as part and parcel of his redemption of humans. His death on earth would not qualify as a propitiary sacrifice for their sins, since, under God’s law, a debt can only be repaid by the original debtor or his direct descendants. That is why Christ had to become a man in order to redeem us.
So, to redeem a species of sinful aliens, He would have to become one of those aliens and perform a similar redemptive act.
“If there is a problem like the goat/horse/Martian doesnt have a soul, there is no harm done.”
However, if these hypothetical aliens had souls, then there would be a harm done, as you would be misleading them into thinking that a baptism would do anything for them, when it would not. Their requirements for their salvation could not be the same as humans, so that mistake could jeopardize their souls.
You are the one asking if the animal should be baptized.
I didn’t bring up the absurdity, you did.
You are arguing my point.
I don’t understand your theology.
You seem to be saying God is not God and Creator of the universe and any other life that may exist.
To my mind, if there are any other creations in God’s image, then Christ is also their Lord. Do you disagree?
“There have been a lot of people on this earth that were/are satisfied with just God.”
If I get your point, that is a different argument - whether one believes in Christ.
I think the analogous question would be, can an ET convert to Judaism?
You are mistaken ... and all you need do is look at your reference to goats (I used Gorilla because Coco has shown herself more aware than a goat). You have conflated my post with someone else’s (who mentioned goats), but I don’t expect you to think clearly enough to figure this all out and have witnessed your need for ‘last wording’, so I’ll stop responding to you now because wrestling with ... well you know the analogy.
Boogieman explained it better and more concicely than me here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3155467/posts?page=97#97
Leave obama, Hillary, et al, out of this.
ok
There is a difference between being the creator, the Lord, and the redeemer. If God created life elsewhere, then He is of course its creator, and also its Lord, but if He has not redeemed that life, then He is not their redeemer.
I don’t think you need to be hostile.
That’s why I keep saying life created in God’s image.
If they did not fall, as we did, then they wouldn’t need redemption.
But what if they too fell?
I can't believe that the Pope just awakened one day and decided to address the issue of extraterrestrials.
What about the inhabitants of Kolob?
Thanks for pointing out Boogieman’s post.
I think this is rather an absurd exercise.
But, as long as it is a topic, if life is created in God’s image, as we were, and it falls, as we did, it would be under a - or the - curse as well.
I believe Christ is God and and cannot but be their redeemer as well.
If such a thing were to be and there’s no way we can know that.
Sometimes people use hyperbole to make a point. Methinks this might be one of those times.
Bwahahahaha ... um, it is ‘a planet around Kolob’, IIRC. Inhabitants of Kolob would be mighty strange indeed, since Kolob was the Smithian star mythology.
It has always amazed me that, on a planet that is largely covered with oceans, we insist on believing that superior races must originate from distant planets.
Just guessing, but a race intelligent enough to conquer intrastellar travel probably has the soul thing down.
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