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Instant Citizens: The pressing issue of "birth tourism"
National Review ^ | 05/02/2014 | A.J. Delgado

Posted on 05/02/2014 5:35:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthright; citizenship; illegals; immigration

1 posted on 05/02/2014 5:35:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Russians need a visa to come to the US. Why don’t the reporters ask the US embassy why they are giving visas to pregnant women?

The same goes for the Chinese that come to California to give birth. Chinese need visas too, don’t they?

If the government wanted to stop this practice, they would. But they don’t.


2 posted on 05/02/2014 5:41:25 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Shouldn’t be ‘law’ as it stands today...conflicts with the simple reading of the 14th

But, since when has gov’t needed to follow the Law anyway?? /semi-S


3 posted on 05/02/2014 5:46:36 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: SeekAndFind
It does not seem right but seriously, how big a problem is it? Even if it's 100,000 per year, the stress on a nation this big is imperceptible.

Since issuing birth certificates is a function of the several states, how are maternity wards and county vital statistics offices going to determine citizenship of both parents (the father may not even be present).

An effective control would be issuance of national identity cards or some federal agency taking over and issuing national birth certificates. Do we want to go there?

4 posted on 05/02/2014 5:49:28 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
<>nor has the Supreme Court addressed the topic of whether the child of a passing tourist is entitled to citizenship or even whether the child of undocumented immigrants is entitled to such.<>

Scotus has no business determining the qualifications of citizenship. Article I, Section 8: The Congress shall have power to . . . establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

In what was a republic, it was only natural for congress, and abhorrent for blackrobes, to determine the criteria of citizenship.

5 posted on 05/02/2014 5:50:14 AM PDT by Jacquerie (By their oaths, it is the duty of state legislators to invoke Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Citizenship and naturalization are two different concepts. Under the 14th amendment persons born in the United States are citizens. They do not need to be naturalized. The Constitutional power of the Congress to set a uniform rule for naturalization means the several states can’t come up with their own rules on the subject.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 6:04:07 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The danger is with loyalty.

Undivided loyalty to the nation is necessary for the nation to survive.

That is why Fed & State officials take an oath of office to protect and defend the constitution. Of course they don’t keep their oath.

That is why we are in serious trouble.


7 posted on 05/02/2014 6:11:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Procyon
Your simplistic statement ignores "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," meaning it is a bogus, leftist mauling of the 14th Amendment.
8 posted on 05/02/2014 6:21:12 AM PDT by Jacquerie (By their oaths, it is the duty of state legislators to invoke Article V.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My college room-mate was born to Indian parents while they were here going to school. They returned to India, where he was raised. When he reached 17, and his parents were trying to run his life, as Indian parents will, he grabbed his US passport and ran away from home, all the way to New York City.

His parents very much regretted his automatic American citizenship.


9 posted on 05/02/2014 6:40:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Jacquerie
"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" refers to children of diplomats. Tourists, resident aliens and illegals are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when they are present in this country.

Again, states currently have no mechanism for determining and recording citizenship of parents of children born in this country.

I personally don't feel that the situation is serious enough for the federal government to take over an inherent state function and require national identity cards and national birth registration.

10 posted on 05/02/2014 6:47:21 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Exactly. Until we have a Constitutional amendment that would make “anchor babies” and birth citizenship an impossibility (i.e. a ruling that interprets the 14th amendment in the spirit of its intention, rather than as a back-door entry into the US), an obvious policy is to require Mexicans to obtain visas in order to set foot in the US legally.


11 posted on 05/02/2014 9:28:58 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Procyon
It does not seem right but seriously, how big a problem is it? Even if it's 100,000 per year, the stress on a nation this big is imperceptible.

Among other things there is chain migration.

12 posted on 05/02/2014 9:37:16 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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