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EPA ban puts Minnesota's ice rinks in tough position
Pioneer Press ^ | 4-13-14 | Nick Ferraro

Posted on 04/15/2014 6:23:23 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

The clock is ticking for Minnesota's indoor ice rinks.

By 2020, the refrigerant chemical now used at half the state's 240 arenas to make ice no longer will be manufactured or imported into the U.S. as part of a global effort aimed at ridding the world of greenhouse gases linked to depletion of the ozone layer.

The phaseout of the odorless gas R-22 is expected to be costly for arenas -- most of which are publicly owned -- because of an anticipated rise in its cost. After the deadline, arenas still will be able to use the refrigerant gas for existing cooling systems, but the supply will be limited to what is left over and reclaimed and recycled.

To what extent cities will be affected financially will depend on the R-22 market after the deadline, as well as the age of their ice-making equipment and if they plan to upgrade it, said Craig Flor, president of the Minnesota Ice Arena Manager's Association.

"This isn't impending doom for us," Flor said. "But there is a lot of concern because the big unknown is cost and funding."

Cities with decades-old cooling systems could swap them out with ones that use an environmentally friendly chemical, but at a cost that could push $2 million.

Some, such as Hastings and West St. Paul, say they plan to roll the dice and budget for the cost of leaks that could spring up from time to time until there is money to upgrade.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: epa; epaoutofcontrol; hockey; ice; icerinks; minnesota; nannystate; regulation
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EPA- banning everything everywhere.
1 posted on 04/15/2014 6:23:24 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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Ammonia was in use as a refrigerant for decades before the invention of chloroflourocarbons.....................


2 posted on 04/15/2014 6:34:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: TurboZamboni

So what we are saying is that fun at the rink....just doubled in price, and likely will double again within three years?


3 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:19 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: TurboZamboni

Will DFL types make the connection between being reduced to roller hockey and their suicidal voting patterns?

Doubtful...


4 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:41 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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EPA- banning everything everywhere.

Almost all of it based on unproven junk science.

5 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:50 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s also a problem for homeowners with AC and heat pumps that use R-22 too. And they don’t have a crack (and I do mean crack) Democrat Senator like Amy Klobuchar helping them.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:50 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: TurboZamboni

Wait. Did MN vote for the one or not?


7 posted on 04/15/2014 6:36:38 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red Badger
Propane also is an effective refrigerant. It is used in many petrochem plants.

Of course they are already designed to handle flammable materials so it is no big challenge for them.

8 posted on 04/15/2014 6:39:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’ve still got a nice stash of R-11 that they banned in 96 for my old cars AC systems.

Obviously the commercial folks are gonna have to spend big bucks to convert.


9 posted on 04/15/2014 6:40:06 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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EPA- banning everything everywhere.

It's the EPA that needs to be banned.
Morons.

10 posted on 04/15/2014 6:40:30 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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What’s gonna happen when all chlorflourocarbons, R-12, R-22 etc., have been banned for decades and the ‘Ozone Hole’ is still there?.......................


11 posted on 04/15/2014 6:41:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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EPA- banning everything everywhere.

Junk science for a junk religion.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 6:42:41 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TurboZamboni

This will reduce the number of rinks in the country resulting in even more travel to and from rinks. Which is good for the environment? Liberalism is a mental disorder.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 6:46:13 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Red Badger

It will still be blamed on Bush. And racism. Don’t forget racism!


14 posted on 04/15/2014 6:51:16 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: TurboZamboni

Banning R-22 may be OK in Mn where you can just open the windows to freeze your Rink. Not so good in warmer climates.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

It is my contention that the ‘Ozone Hole’ has always been there, since the beginning. Just because some geek ‘discovered’ it doesn’t mean there is a problem.

It’s like someone discovering the Grand Canyon and suddenly we have to damn up the Colorado river because it’s getting bigger.......................


16 posted on 04/15/2014 6:55:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: thackney

What about butane? I had a lighter explode in my pocket once and the butane froze my thigh.......................


17 posted on 04/15/2014 6:57:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

Ammonia is still used as an industrial refrigerant, smelly stuff and quite dangerous when there is a spill.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 6:58:39 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: TurboZamboni; thackney; pepsionice; relictele; Bloody Sam Roberts; RightGeek; Black Agnes; ...

Ammonia has been used since 1876 as a refrigerant and it’s cheaper, more efficient, doesn’t harm the Ozone hole and doesn’t contribute to globull warming..................

http://www.goodway.com/hvac-blog/2009/08/ammonia-as-a-refrigerant-pros-and-cons/


19 posted on 04/15/2014 7:02:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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20 posted on 04/15/2014 7:03:32 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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