Posted on 04/11/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by grundle
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But I support states' rights, and I don't live in Vermont, so I don't have anything against Vermont doing this. I view this the way a scientist views an experiment. I'm curious to see how it turns out.
Let us all resolve to eschew the term ‘single payer.’
What statists mean is SINGLE PROVIDER i.e. strict socialized medicine.
The PAYERS (plural) will be the same as usual - the dwindling productive sector.
its going to be a lot more than expected and fail miserably
I oppose tyranny on the federal AND state level
I am truly hoping that Vermont WILL do this.
They will be broke in two years.
Will serve as a very visible warning to all the rest of us.
Better it happen to a tiny state with 600,000 people than, say, California.
I guess it will work like Medicare where you pay the same price each month. So everyone pays 113 dollars a month instead of various amounts. It will save some people money but will increase others. I just wonder about a family with four kids for example. Will that be 113 per person? I think it is a wait and see at this point. Again states rights should always win out. The problem with Obamacare is that it is federal. Each state should decide how they want to do their healthcare.
I’ve been reading that there is a heroin epidemic in Vermont, so all those addicts should be ecstatic that their rehabs will be on the backs of the taxpayers.
The idea behind this law is that there is zero direct cost. So there will be no monthly premium or bill at the doctors. The entire bill will be on the taxpayer and there will be no financial restraint on the patient. People will treat the doctor’s office like an open bar at a wedding.
“I guess it will work like Medicare where you pay the same price each month. So everyone pays 113 dollars a month instead of various amounts....”
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Not everyone on Medicare Part B pays the same premium each month. Higher premiums are paid by those whose income is higher. The premiums don’t vary by “risk” but simply by income.
As the DimocRATS would say...”well, it’s only fair!”.
Assuming that they can get Medicare and other federal funds transferred into this insanity, the NEW taxes for EVERY citizen in Vermont is $2600 per year, so an average family of 4 is looking at more than $10,000 in new taxes. But wait, let’s do this right - Since less than half of the people actually pay taxes, that’s $20,000 per family they’ll have to suck up.
Average household income in Vermont is $54,000.
Yep, that’s a plan that will work.
....that's what they say.
Canada Medicare has its drawbacks. But it works. Health care remains privately delivered but the entire cost of paying for health care is defrayed through high taxes. Every one pays into the system - eliminating the free rider problem.
Of course Americans would not stomach the kind of taxation levels necessary to make it work. That is why single payer has never made much headway here. Even in liberal Vermont, its a hard sell.
Absolutely true. Most Canadians are honest enough to tell you that “our health care system isn’t free, we pay a tremendous amount in taxes for it”.
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Canada’s governments spend around 7-8% of GDP on healthcare. The gov’t portion of US health car spending pre-Obamacare is almost 8%. So actually the two countries are almost the same in terms of what the gov’t spends on healthcare. Canada has single payer but still another 3% of GDP is spent privately on healthcare for things like dentistry, drugs, etc. So Canada with the same amount of resources per the economy covers everyone while the US just covers the poor and elderly.
I haven’t been to Vermont in years, I hope the income of those that live in the Northeast Kingdom has increased.
I never knew what real poor was until I started visiting there.
JUST BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AND UNWORKABLE HAS NEVER STOPPED THE LIBERALS FROM FOISTING THEIR BAD IDEAS ON THE REST OF US.
“eliminating the free rider problem.”
Except for the 47% that do not pay taxes.
It hasn't. The lumber industry was the only thing keeping them going and the state has been working at killing that.
Once IBM leaves the state (coming soon) the rest of us are going to be in a similar situation.
It works largely because US healthcare is readily available. Our hospitals are full of Canadians who cannot get timely care at home. I understand that Florida hospitals are busy in the winter with Canadian patients as well.
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