THE BUNDY DAUGHTER SPEAKS OUT ON GOVERNMENT TERRORISM AGAINST HER FAMILY! (Nevada Rancher)

America's Freedom Fighters ^ | Apr 9, 2014 | Clark Kent

[xzins]

By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with their own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card.

You’ve already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now they’re desperate.

It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything they’re doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

[butterdezillion]

What NSA scandal? Where are you getting your information from anyway? Some crazy conspiracy site? We would never let that kind of batsh!t crazy talk happen here.

The NSA would NEVER even want to do something scandalous, even if the ever-vigilant, patriotic everyday people in this country were willing to scream loudly enough to keep our ever-just federal law enforcement from investigating even the SLIGHTEST HINT of corruption. NO WAY would our people or Eric Holder’s justice department EVER let the NSA get away with a scandal or something bad against this country.

You are clearly just WAY too conspiratorial.

Go back to Alex Jones’ site where you belong, and keep that crap out of here.

[DoodleDawg]

So this is her side of the story. The government has their side of the story. The actual truth is somewhere in between.

[xzins]

I’m no lawyer, but Marlowe is. Historical facts are important.

One thing that really made me dig deeper was reading that this family had been there doing this same thing for generations. Grazing transitioned from more than ok to ok to sort of ok to not ok.

And real live people and their livelihoods are caught in the mix.

[xzins]

The actual truth is somewhere in between.

That's what I'm thinking too. And when the Governor came out today slamming the Fed and saying nothing to the family, I figured there was more there than just the Fed's story.

[butterdezillion]

There you go! Somebody SANE, for once. Somebody like Obama, who recognizes that unless you were the first person to set foot on a piece of land, you can’t own it.

As soon as the first person to set foot in America can show us his birth certificate he can have the whole place.

Er... OK, as soon as somebody can show us a US birth certificate from about 5000BC, they get the whole place.

[crz]

You forgot the sarc tag.

[butterdezillion]

When I was told something similar here there was no sarc tag anywhere.

Nor was there playful banter to make the sarcasm evident. It was dead serious.

[Lou Budvis]

In case you missed it, I was saying that the idea that her family had done this for generations doesn’t count for much in the end. They never said the land was theirs. If an owner choses to exercise its rights not to permit people onto coming onto their land, that is the owner’s rights.

[taxcontrol]

You do understand that when you resort to name calling when you are confronted with facts, if that is the best you have to offer, you have already lost the debate.

Further you do realize that in addition to docks and repair facilities that there is a Coast Guard auxiliary at Lake Mead? Also, as for “other needful buildings” how about Hover Dam? I would certainly consider Hover Dam a needful (power production for one) building.

Remember the first rule of debating. The one to start calling names has lost the debate.

[tacticalogic]

If an owner choses to exercise its rights not to permit people onto coming onto their land, that is the owner’s rights.

What's missing is the "why". This administration, by it's own admission, only enforces the laws it wants to. What's making them want to enforce this one so badly?

[butterdezillion]

I haven’t followed this story much, to be honest, but it seems like the daughter is saying that the cattle belong to them but are being stolen by the feds, and that the fees they’d been forced to pay were used AGAINST the very people who were supposed to be served by those fees.

As an aside, maybe some of us could buy out the land that the US capitol and White House sit on, and then maybe we could set our own rules for what could go on in those places...

Oh, wait, we supposedly already DO own that land, and supposedly already DO have established rules for what can be done there...

Maybe however the feds choose to get rid of this family.... is how we the people who own the Capitol and White House should get rid of the squatters there... who have broken every contract we the people have ever made with them - namely, the Constitution.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Levin and Judge Nap would be awesome!

[IYAS9YAS]

He is a taker that is using public resources without compensation for his personal economic benefit. They should have stopped him from doing this years ago.

Not only that, but he's being cheap on being cheap. Fees on public lands (BLM and Forest Service) are $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM - cow and calf counts as one). My understanding is that fees for this same animal unit month on private grazing land is around 4 times that, but I'm still trying to find a source on private fees, as they, well, change due to market conditions. The state of Arizona charges about $2.40/AUM on state trust land. The fed rate is really low.

[xzins]

It does matter that they had been doing it for years on public access land. And the “owner” is us. It is not the Fed.

We are the people...the FIRST branch of Government.

We are the first branch mentioned: “We the PEOPLE of the United States...”

[Lou Budvis]

I don’t see how “why?” makes any difference. There is no serious argument that the US gov’t does not own the land. There is no evidence that the US gov’t reneged on a contract to let him graze cattle there. It may very well be that the gov’t has a stupid or bad reason for stopping grazing, but that has nothing to do with its right to do so.

[taxcontrol]

You do realize that in addition to docks and repair facilities that there is a Coast Guard auxiliary at Lake Mead? Also, as for “other needful buildings” how about Hover Dam? I would certainly consider Hover Dam a needful (power production for one) building. All of these are part of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, land owned by the US Government that was at one time, leased to Bundy for his cattle to graze upon.

Then when Bundy stopped paying his grazing lease, he stopped having access rights to that land.

[editor-surveyor]

She said it right!

The BLM has no claim whatsoever to those lands.
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[WayneS]

I was referring to the grazing land.

Property can be subdivided, you know.

[IYAS9YAS]

What's making them want to enforce this one so badly?

To make an example and show of force.

Look, the guy, by the law, has been trespassing. It was never his land. Even adverse possession generally requires you to not only occupy the land, but to improve it and pay taxes. This may not be the same everywhere, but it's the general idea. He doesn't occupy the land exclusively (for grazing, maybe, but grazing lands are generally open to other use), and he's certainly not paid the taxes (fees) on that land. The improvements are moot against the other two. That being said, the federal overreach here, spending more than twice what the actual fees (and interest, admin fees, and penalties) are to deal with this is wrong. I'm no fan of the fedgov in this respect, but Mr. Bundy is also not standing on solid ground.

[4Zoltan]

“I was saying that the idea that her family had done this for generations doesn’t count for much in the end.”

IANAL, but wouldn’t the continuous use of the property for the past 100 years create some kind of property easement?