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U.S. Intel Assessement: Greater Likelihood Russia Will Enter Eastern Ukraine (and Baltics)
CNN ^ | Wednesday, March 26, 2014 | Barbara Starr

Posted on 03/26/2014 6:00:27 PM PDT by kristinn

A new classified intelligence assessment concludes it is more likely than previously thought that Russian forces will enter eastern Ukraine, CNN has learned.

Two administration officials described the assessment but declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.

The officials emphasized that nothing is certain, but there have been several worrying signs in the past three to four days.

“This has shifted our thinking that the likelihood of a further Russian incursion is more probable than it was previously thought to be,” one official said.

The buildup is seen to be reminiscent of Moscow’s military moves before it went into Chechnya and Georgia in both numbers of units and their capabilities.

U.S. military and intelligence officials have briefed Congress on the assessment.

As a result, Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee late Wednesday sent a classified letter to the White House expressing concern about unfolding developments.

An unclassified version obtained by CNN said committee members feel “urgency and alarm, based on new information in the committee’s possession.”

The committee said there was “deep apprehension that Moscow may invade eastern and southern Ukraine, pressing west to Transdniestria and also seek land grabs in the Baltics.”

SNIP

The United States believes that Russia might decide to go into eastern Ukraine to establish a land bridge into Crimea.

The belief is that Russian forces would move toward three Ukrainian cities: Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk in order to establish land access into Crimea. Russian forces are currently positioned in and around Rostov, Kursk, and Belgorod, according to U.S. intelligence information.

(Excerpt) Read more at security.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: baltics; estonia; latvia; lithuania; moldova; obama; obamasfault; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine
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To: Girlene

Estonia is in NATO. That would be war. That SHOULD be war. If we had a real CinC.


51 posted on 03/26/2014 7:38:39 PM PDT by DallasDeb ((usafa06mom))
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To: kristinn

The Baltics are NATO Countries, if the russkies “enter” them, it is a whole other matter and the bastard kenyan might find that a country that covers eleven time zones is a tad more than a “regional” power.


52 posted on 03/26/2014 7:38:48 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: kristinn
"Tell Vladimir that after I'm re-elected, I can be more flexible." Baraq Hussein 0bama (mmm mmm mmm)

None dare call it treason.

5.56mm

53 posted on 03/26/2014 7:41:13 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: kristinn

What about the Gulf of Mexico?


54 posted on 03/26/2014 7:46:36 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: kearnyirish2
If the people of eastern Ukraine (primarily Russian) vote to join Russia, would Putin be justified in absorbing it?

Absent a controlling legal authority in Kiev, why not?

55 posted on 03/26/2014 7:50:15 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: no-to-illegals

I guess only time will tell. I do get a sneaky suspicion that the U.S. (at least this administration) is not being invited to “the table” on how to ultimately deal with all this. I have nothing to back that up with outside of watching the kenyan being played like a fool on the world stage by country after country.


56 posted on 03/26/2014 7:50:49 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

I’ll agree with you to your point. I also believe there are factions within our Military that are keeping many things close to the vest because they know obama and his minions cannot be trusted. Am truly saddened by the fact that for the first time in our Nation’s History our Military has a cic they (our Military) cannot trust.


57 posted on 03/26/2014 7:54:57 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: DallasDeb
Yes it is. Russia has been using Russian influence operations in Estonia for some time. I'd say he'll likely try to use the referendum ploy again.
58 posted on 03/26/2014 8:07:00 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: no-to-illegals

I couldn’t agree with you more and a point I had not given serious thought to. Thinking out loud, I almost have to wonder what the “inside track” of the trusted are thinking / up to in lieu of all the SEAL deaths (both active and post service), Benghazi, heck, you know the list as well as I.
There was a story floated here not too long ago about (basically) three generals (maybe not all generals, there were a few stories) who either recovered or handled a situation of “missing nukes” on our own soil. Now our gracious leader is again positing a nuke attack in the North East (Manhattan?). Things that make you go hmmm.... (okay, I’ll take off my tinfoil hat now)


59 posted on 03/26/2014 8:08:56 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: kristinn

Putin will move before the election. Everything Obama does is based on domestic politics. If Obama gets aggressive in response to Putin, the left won’t turn out for the election. Obama is trapped by his own politics.


60 posted on 03/26/2014 8:16:26 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decrimminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: lodi90

I believe Danish F-16’s shadowed some of the recent Russian war games being discussed. But whether they could offer much more than harrasment of an actual Russian move on the Baltics may be questionable.


61 posted on 03/26/2014 8:19:17 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Mariner; All
According to some of the Ukrainians, Kherson is a key to Crimea over the long haul (unless Putin builds a bridge across to Kerch), and Kherson also lies on the path (more or less) to Odesa. Kherson is not very Russian (25%, I believe I saw on one map), so that's where things could get sticky. http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/maydan/map.gif
62 posted on 03/26/2014 8:35:27 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.
"Kherson is a key to Crimea over the long haul"

If Russia goes to Kherson they're not going to stop until they're through Odessa and into Transwhatever.

The costs to them would be the same either way.

63 posted on 03/26/2014 8:44:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

But bascially none of our armor.. wasn’t effective in that combat zone. We could if we wanted roll some nasty tank formations up to Poland as a way of saying no more.


64 posted on 03/26/2014 9:14:08 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Mariner

Agreed on the first part of that, but, Kherson could be difficult to secure, long term, making for vulnerable supply lines. Plus, the Russians end up on Romania’s border, which country is a significant NATO member, generally has it’s act together militarily, and is likely to view Russians (especially in this circumstance) on its border very dimly.

Of significance is Mihail Kogalniceanu airbase in Eastern Romania, which is our new air transit center to Afghanistan. It would make Russkis in Odessa (etc.) quite vulnerable, should push come to shove..


65 posted on 03/26/2014 9:28:47 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It would seriously be very hard to imagine a less adept administration. Obama is floundering in a bed he made up for himself.

It’s just sad to realize this guy represents us, and is destroying any respect for the United States.

I thought this ass hat was going to have all nations around the planet loving us. He stated Bush talked down to everyone.

Obama fixed that by talking up to everyone. How is that working for us Barack?

This decade will be looked back on as the pathetic years.


66 posted on 03/26/2014 9:32:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Mariner

The Swedes are at least talking about beefing up a little, but the problem is that they (and the rest) should have gotten the message back in 2008.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140316/DEFREG01/303160008/Russian-Threat-Re-Energizes-Sweden-s-Push-Join-NATO-Boost-Spending

Still... The whole post-Cold War construct to keep the peace relies on overwhelming U.S. muscle, with modest assistance from the Brits and French, and little from all the rest. Without that, it’s merely a matter of when a major war breaks out, not “if”.


67 posted on 03/26/2014 9:45:42 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks kristinn.


68 posted on 03/26/2014 9:48:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Maybe taunting them and calling Putin weak has made the “regional power” feel like it needs to make a statement.”

You got it in one...

And really, from the Russian view, why shouldn’t he? Obama has set the conditions for this. Just two days before Putin moves on Ukraine, Obama announces a U.S. drawdown to pre-WW2 troop levels.

Obama screwed the Russians badly by lying to him about the “No Fly Zone” in Libya, then Putin called Obama’s bluff in Syria, and saw how fast The Gay Media Messiah went running away, and how fast the US Media “forgot” that it ever happened, because it made Obama look bad. 48 hours and it was just GONE from US non-Fox media coverage.

Now, Obama and the NGO’s have destabilized Ukraine as well, and Putin is again going to call Obama’s bluff.

From a strictly Machiavellian view, Putin would be stupid to not move on the advantage, while he has it. The U.S. has proven toothless, Europe doesn’t want to admit anything is happening yet, and Ukraine is in anarchy. A window for action like this doesn’t last forever.

“Rules for Radicals” doesn’t cover this, but Machiavelli’s “The Prince”, does.


69 posted on 03/26/2014 10:01:26 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kristinn

Personally, I don’t think the Russians will go in. I think Ukraine and Russia will work out a deal to grant commercial overland access to the Crimea. Only if Ukraine decides to draw their own lines will Russia act to secure the eastern Ukraine. I expect some kind of deal-making and “Finlandization” between the Baltic States, Belorus, and Russia.

The Russians scored a coup with the bloodless reacquisition of the Crimea. Going further without a period of some sort of deal-making I think would be pushing their luck. Poland and the Baltic states might mobilize and there’d be real poor relations for awhile. Islamic states would love to see internal strife among the European ones.


70 posted on 03/26/2014 10:01:51 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: annalex

“But now with the assassination of a Right Sector leader apparently by the Interior ministry ...”

That Right Sector leader was a worldwide hunted International War Criminal, responsible for torturing and murdering Russian prisoners of war in Chechnya, and taking advantage of the chaos inside Ukraine to kill Russians and rob banks.

People like this are who the U.S. Governemt, and the Open Society NGO’s have been funding to create the unrest.


71 posted on 03/26/2014 10:05:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And Poland and Romania and Azerbaijan and Balarus and Moldova and Finland....”

I don’t think Putin intends anything more than Southern Ukraine, and I called that one from the beginning of this. An attack on any NATO member activates the treaty, and we are dealing with a smart guy here.

Transdneistr might be another matter however, being unsettled business from the breakup of the Soviet Union.


72 posted on 03/26/2014 10:09:26 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: M Kehoe

You think all the foot stompin’ over Ukraine is just Obama Kabuki? Could be. Not disagreeing.


73 posted on 03/26/2014 10:12:18 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Mariner

“I just want to know if there is real intel on Russia being positi9oned to move on the Baltics”

Nothing at all, other than a Russian mention of treatment of native Russians in Estonia last week.

There have been some movements caught by twitterers of top-line, recently modernized/westernized brigades (what we would call “Heavy Brigades”) in the last few days, though, on an axis toward Donetsk and Southern Ukraine, as well as some Twitter reports of a Battalion-strength unit on train in Belarus.


74 posted on 03/26/2014 10:14:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dangus

Ukraine could lose everything south of the Dnieper, from Donetsk to Meltipol, to Crimea, IMO. I don’t think they will go after the two cities, though.

Why would Putin want those problems?


75 posted on 03/26/2014 10:24:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kearnyirish2

this was a Russian style election. nyet is not an acceptable vote.


76 posted on 03/26/2014 10:49:14 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: kristinn

We have “intelligence”? Since when? They blew almost every major assessment and prediction (allowing for the fact that we don’t know what the CIA/DIA said in classified assessments and warnings that might have been right).

Our CIA has had a generations long bad habit of underestimating our enemies intentions and capabilities to carry out aggression.

The failure to plan for a No. Vietnamese cliff assault on one of our most valuable electronic listening posts in SVN/Lao cost us not only the site, but the lives of both Americans and Laotians.

Tet was not a surprise but the scope and coordination of it was. Also the inability to understand the Russian anti-aircraft defense systems around Hanoi and other strategic targets cost us a lot of men and planes, and our aerial attack patterns were absolutely stupid.

The USS Cole? No real outrider US protection craft? Who the hell let that one get by, esp. in hostile waters?

One lousy guardpost on the outer perimeters of the Marine Barracks/base at the old airport in Lebanon? Another major fiasco. Should have been a series of strong checkpoints in a circular pattern around the whole area.

The bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut. No real protection for a building that was built with floors overhanging the ground. Sheer stupidity and negligence esp. since the Israelis and French buildings had already been blown up by truck-driven bombers.

The bombing of the World Trade Center the first time was not taken seriously and the prevailing thought was that it wouldn’t be targetted again. You know how that worked out.

No anti-aircraft shoulder fired missiles for patrols on top of the Pentagon on 9/11. We heard the plane coming in about a mile from our house, then heard and felt the explosion as it crashed into the Pentagon. Not a single shot fired in an attempt to bring it down.

No arms available for any aircraft stationed a few miles away at either Bolling AFB or Andrews AFB who could have intercepted the hijacked plane far away from DC. Another military fiasco, partially the blame of Clinton/Administration but also by the military who didn’t prepare for anything.

I could go on but you know the history of our intelligence mistakes, including Pearl Harbor, the Red Chinese coming into No. Korea, and the Egyptian surprise attack on Israel in Oct. 1967 (Yom Kippur War), among others.

What we need is a complete overhaul of our intelligence systems, starting with the very basic concepts that it is operating on, concepts that are far from reality in most cases.

The breakdown in information flow in the FBI re the 9/11 hijackers who were taking one-way flight training in New Mexico/Arizona and Minnesota, and which was ignored up the chain of analysis and command, stands as an indictment for which heads should have rolled down Pennsylvania Ave in DC.

Bradley Manning, Snowden, etc. Totally failures in protective planning for out most important secrets and operating techniques.

If we don’t clean house now, there may not be a “next” time in which to do it. Someone may clean our house for us.


77 posted on 03/26/2014 10:59:12 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: kristinn

I think the leaking of this information is an attempt to reduce the “shock value” of any future Russian action.

In the Clinton days, Whitewater and Lewinsky information and so on was leaked out early to reduce its sensationalism and control damage to the Clintons.

Perhaps the Baltics are mentioned as part of the strategy to make the eventual Russian action in the Ukraine “not as bad as we thought”.

Obama and the EU are going to do very little because serious action would have serious economic and or military consequences.


78 posted on 03/27/2014 12:55:47 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: kristinn

The media has control of this and the idiot who occupies the Oval Office.


79 posted on 03/27/2014 3:44:13 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: tcrlaf

He certainly is no shrinking violet, but how much of his alleged crimes are RF’s disinformation I don’t know. His contribution to the Ukrainian anti-Communist Revolution is immense.


80 posted on 03/27/2014 5:22:10 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: kristinn

Putin giving Obama the “Bronx salute”.


81 posted on 03/27/2014 5:52:20 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: dangus

The greatest possible threat of war between Russia and a NATO member is actually Turkey, which is threatening to close the Straits of Bosphorus to Russia.


Putin wants no part of Turkey. That won’t be happening. Turkey has a credible military and Putin’s MO is to attack weak countries who can’t fight back. Erdogan made one phone call and shut Putin down.


82 posted on 03/27/2014 6:22:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Paul R.

I believe Danish F-16’s shadowed some of the recent Russian war games being discussed. But whether they could offer much more than harrasment of an actual Russian move on the Baltics may be questionable.


Did you notice the type of aircraft sent to “reenforce” the Baltics? It was a few antique F-15C’s. Air to air fighters with minimal air to ground capabilities, I believe. Putin would have a free hand for a week or more if he rolls into Estonia. NATO units are so far away the battle would be over by the time they got there. I think that is the plan.

The kenyan and Merkel are not interested in a shooting war with Russia over the Baltics. Putin is free to pluck them at his leisure.


83 posted on 03/27/2014 6:35:11 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The Baltics are NATO Countries, if the russkies “enter” them, it is a whole other matter and the bastard kenyan might find that a country that covers eleven time zones is a tad more than a “regional” power.


The Russians are already there. Parts of Estonia are 90% ethnic Russian. What isn’t in the Baltics is a credible NATO deterrent. The kenyan and Merkel know that and do nothing. Why do you think that is? The answer is they have no intention of defending the Baltics militarily.


84 posted on 03/27/2014 6:38:00 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: JimSEA

As long as Lukashenko is in power and does what Moscow wants him to do, Belarus will be left alone.


85 posted on 03/27/2014 6:38:05 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

Russia won’t stop until it has secured the other areas of the Ukraine that have a majority of Russian speakers, which includes the east and south of the country. The annexation of those areas will provide Russia with an oil/gas pipeline corridor that will completely by-pass what remains of the Ukraine. They’ll supply Europe and let Ukraine freeze.


86 posted on 03/27/2014 6:48:47 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: lodi90

YOu say that, and yet Turkey has for now backed down on its threat to close the Straits of Bosphorus. Russia wants no war with Turkey, but if the Straits were to be closed, that would be an Act of War by Turkey against Russia, and Russia would be forced to open them.


87 posted on 03/27/2014 6:48:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: kristinn

Yep. They know there will be no meaningful consequences when they do take part of the Eastern Ukraine. And, each advancing soldier will have his face totally covered too, just like they do in Crimea.


88 posted on 03/27/2014 7:29:33 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: tcrlaf; All

So, this means that the sensational headline about Russia moving on the Baltics was little more than sensationalism by a Congressional Staffer with a Boehner for war.


89 posted on 03/27/2014 8:13:43 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: b4its2late

“They know there will be no meaningful consequences when they do take part of the Eastern Ukraine.”

Except for having to deal with another pissed off neighbor. It’s like moving your mother-in-law into the house.


90 posted on 03/27/2014 8:17:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: DoughtyOne
It would seriously be very hard to imagine a less adept administration. Obama is floundering in a bed he made up for himself.

Interesting interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on King World News about Ukraine and other world concerns.

91 posted on 03/27/2014 8:18:32 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: kristinn
And Now The Real Economic Pain Begins As IMF Unleashes $27BN Bailout In "Near Bankrupt" Ukraine
92 posted on 03/27/2014 8:24:44 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Mariner

“So, this means that the sensational headline about Russia moving on the Baltics was little more than sensationalism by a Congressional Staffer with a Boehner for war.”

I always look at the source. Hmmm. CNN. No agenda with them, right?

The media is a gay lynch mob. The media hates Putin and Russia because they won’t let the gay mafia push them around and thus constantly agitates against him, but to far less avail than with their American targets.

As to whether Putin is a real threat, I have no idea, but I certainly don’t see the bear of the hammer and sickle years; just a bunch of wild eyed stories. I’m an old guy, and this ain’t the Russia of the Cold War, no matter how much the gaymob and neocons want to fight them.


93 posted on 03/27/2014 8:30:32 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: AppyPappy
Good point.

I kind of meant from our fearless leader.....

94 posted on 03/27/2014 8:50:49 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Luke21

>As to whether Putin is a real threat, I have no idea<

Lets see, he rules by decree through his tool the state Duma, he ignores treaties, he orchestrates phoney elections and sends troops w/o insignia into the sovereign territory of his neighbor, and he has nukes.

He is a predator, maybe not a Stalin, but more like a Tony Soprano.


95 posted on 03/27/2014 9:22:29 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: FreeReign
.......”CNN has learned..... Two administration officials described the assessment but declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information”.....

Which is why I don't believe it. However, Putin's watching who is lining up for the election ahead....he'll stall for a time.

You'd think Ukrainians have had enough of the oligarchs by now....which is why they are in this situation to begin with..... So far they're lining up the same'o same'o.....billionaires with lots of money and power. (Transparency International that monitors corruption, rates Ukraine 144 out of 177 states.)

96 posted on 03/27/2014 9:24:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: RitchieAprile

“He is a predator, maybe not a Stalin, but more like a Tony Soprano.”

I can agree with that, but I’ll take him over Stalin any day.


97 posted on 03/27/2014 9:32:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: caww

The oligarchs you refer to are the same ones that were propping up Putin’s puppet, Viktor Yanukovich. After Yanukovich hightailed it to Russia, one notable oligarch, Firtash, helped finance Russia’s invasion of Crimea.

These are the oligarchs the Ukrainians are tired of.


98 posted on 03/27/2014 10:00:32 AM PDT by Agog
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To: Agog
There are others as well....not so sure two of them who are currently bidding for Pres. and seemingly favorites to win... are the best choices...both have served under Yanukovich regardless of where they stand...and both are elites with plenty of moo-lah to spend on an election. Neither are clean of Gov. corruption....but then look at our own!
99 posted on 03/27/2014 10:29:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: kristinn

Heh!! I guess that little, so-called “regional power” has a little more muscle and balls than The Great Won anticipated. Have some more skittles, Mr. Skittles, and let’s all sing Cum-by-ya as we get high on the Mr. Skittle’s sugar high. Oh! Is that a nuke pointed at Manhattan??? Say it ain’t so, Mr. Skittles!!!!


100 posted on 03/27/2014 11:03:14 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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