Posted on 03/19/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by NYer
LOL, libel, I like that.
So far you jumped on this thread to hijack for Russia expansion, and have taken on the conservatives who want to resist Russian expansion and labeled them “”freepers who are openly siding with Obuma, Kerry, Soros and Hillary and believe in pushing the US State Department homo agenda.””, while lying about being uninterested in the subject.
In the meanwhile Catholics are experiencing trouble in Crimea as they slip back under the yoke of the KGB and Mother Russia.
The Russian Orthodox patriarch refuses to meet with the Pope and John Paul II never visited Russia his entire pontificate (although he did visit other strongly Orthodox countries like Greece and Bulgaria) because of resistance from the Russian Orthodox Church.
Ansel12 is correct, anyone who claims Putin stands up for the religious freedom of Christians or supports building up Catholic denominations in Russia is parroting pro-Putin propaganda. The reality is that Putin is a member of the state church, and would like to purge all Christians from Ukraine who do not pledge allegiance to the Moscow Patriarchate.
“So far you jumped on this thread to hijack for Russia expansion...”
I’ve asked you three times to prove that I said that. You can’t, so you engage in libel and guttersnipe insults. I don’t mind, though, because it proves to everyone reading this thread what a piece of work that you are.
Cool, post 11 was a mistake and you agree with us conservatives that we need to find a way to block Russian expansion and keep them from totally taking Ukraine.
You aren’t against us, you are with us, that’s good.
It is difficult but that is what Christ asks us all to do. Remember, historically Ukrainian national liberation meant liberation from Poland. You are asking people in the middle of the horror of WWII and under occupation to foresee and to strategize a union with Polish resistance. That was an impossible task for them.
It’s been on an issue-by-issue basis, and the comparison.
And what did Poland ever do that was so bad to the Ukrainians to deserve such treatment?
Some of the FR Catholics think the Russian Orthodox are Catholics, and they want to to take power and outlaw other Christians.
It sounds like the Catholics won’t get any better treatment under the dictator, than Protestants.
So much for this thread. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3124896/posts?page=52
Your quote is not from Bandera, so it is not "Bandera's desire". No, I don't share them in the comfort of my American home. When my nation is torn apart between three hostile peoples and my leader is in the occupiers' jail, who knows what my thoughts would be. Bandera's legacy today is national liberation and all honest people should support it, regardless of confession and ethnicity, and past grievances. Poles do. Russians do. Germans do. That is because we all understand the murderous nature of the Soviet system reborn in the Kremlin. The Sovs will be defeated because our cause is right and our spirit is high.
No one “deserved” to be massacred, but Ukraine deserved to be free from either Poland or USSR.
They could have been.
The Orthodox are theologically Catholic, even though they do not pray for the Pope. This is just a theological question. I think most Catholics will agree that we love the Orthodox Church and hate the Soviet Union. Nothing changed. To think that Putin is some kind of conservative hero is, of course, idiotic, -- completely agree with you on that. But that is not uniquely Catholic error.
In 1941 - 1954?
Doubt it. This is their first chance in centuries.
It’s the State Church and it’s persecuting dissenters including Roman Catholics. History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men.
There is some hard core Putin worship going on by some Catholics here though, and the reasons are a little scary.
Post 7 mentions the sentiment from some Catholics, a wish for regaining a state church.
Oh don’t make sense.
“You aren’t against us, you are with us, that’s good.”
I set up safehouses for Chinese students in the US during the Tiananmen Square massacre.
I’ve worked with Israeli companies to battle the commie BDS organizations that tried to destroy Israeli commerce.
I have relatives in Poland who know all about Soviet commie oppression.
I’m honestly not sure why you and I are fighting. My guess is that the misunderstanding came about because I consider fighting the commies here in the US as more important than fighting Putin. We can honestly disagree on priorities, but I will always place all my resources and efforts in defeating commies here in the US first.
Cheers, ansel12
If that is the case then leave us alone, you can't seriously expect us to believe that you post so obsessively on this topic in a pro-Russia way, because you are afraid that we are taking precious minutes away from the GOP/democrat politics? For one thing this is part of it, the left's weakness, versus conservatives taking a Reagan position.
When I read your posts on Ukraine, you clearly have a side, the Russian one, and you are pretty hot to fight for that point of view.
“When I read your posts on Ukraine, you clearly have a side, the Russian one, and you are pretty hot to fight for that point of view.”
Why don’t you post all my comments proving your contention. You can’t because you’re a liar.
Stuff it, Obuma troll.
To: Samogon
“No, they want corrupt pro-Russian government to step down. “
No, these are neo-Nazi Soros butt-boys paid by Soros to establish a crony-capitalist criminal government that the Nazi Soros can rob.
Research the topic before posting.
98 posted on 2/18/2014 4:17:16 PM by sergeantdave
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