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McCain: 'Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country'
Yahoo News ^ | 3-16-14 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 03/17/2014 12:46:18 AM PDT by kingattax

Sen. John McCain returned from a trip to Ukraine on Sunday, calling for "a fundamental re-assessment" of the United States' relationship with Russian Vladimir Putin.

“No more reset buttons," McCain told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union." “No more reset buttons, no more ‘Tell Vladimir I’ll be more flexible.’ Treat him for what he is. That does not mean re-ignition of the Cold War. But it does mean treating him in the way that we understand an individual who believes in restoring the old Russian empire.”

McCain, who has been critical of the Obama administration's response to the crisis in Crimea, said the White House should target Russia's oil exports.

"Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country,” McCain said. “It’s kleptocracy, it’s corruption. It’s a nation that’s really only dependent upon oil and gas for their economy. And so economic sanctions are important. Get some military assistance to Ukrainians, at least so they can defend themselves. Resume the missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Look at Moldova and Georgia, both of whom are occupied by Russian troops as we speak, a path toward membership in NATO.”

Speaking in Kiev with a delegation of fellow U.S. senators on Saturday, McCain called for the United States to provide long-term military support — both "lethal and non-lethal" equipment — to Ukraine. "[It is] the right and decent thing to do," McCain said.

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To: goldstategop
We’re slashing our military to the bone

It completely terrifies me that Obama would consider challenging Putin, after slashing the military as you said.

It seems to give merit to those many freepers who believe Obama is trying to destroy this country.

41 posted on 03/17/2014 3:45:05 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: kingattax
"mccain is an idiot masquerading as a US senator."

DITTOS.
Except it is MCLAIM! ! ! ! !

42 posted on 03/17/2014 3:46:35 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Meanwhile, back at the Ranch. . . . . ZERO still as stupid and incompetent as ever! ! !)
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To: kingattax

STFU you old coot.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 3:46:48 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: MarMema

With gays in the military, Obamacare and $18 trillion in debt, I see what Putin sees: a morally dissolute, dependent and deeply indebted country.

America is lecturing to Russia about Crimea when America would be well advised to get its own house in order first. And I think that’s actually a very good point.

We can’t defeat potential foreign adversaries when we are far from strong here at home.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 3:50:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I wonder if any empty heads at the White House can see this?


45 posted on 03/17/2014 3:53:38 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: nathanbedford

Alas, debating merits loses its luster after enough repetitions, and people start thinking war would be more exciting.


46 posted on 03/17/2014 4:08:46 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: kingattax
no more ‘Tell Vladimir I’ll be more flexible.

No more 'tell Putin I can work with him after the next election'????

47 posted on 03/17/2014 4:22:54 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: goldstategop
There is not one syllable in your last post with which I can disagree, yet I am convinced that there is more to understanding John McCain than merely marking them down as a Rino. Why bother to try to understand John McCain, after all, he missed the chance at the White House and his career is inevitably coming to an end? Because I believe that if we have an understanding of McCain's biography we will better understand the man and what prompts his renegade runs off the Republican reservation. What follows is an long post, or amalgam of two old posts, which try to explain John McCain even before the election of 2008. I hope you read to the end because if it has our man right, we will now understand what it is that makes John McCain utterly indifferent to the fate of the Republican Party or the conservative movement:

I believe two factors in the life of John McCain combined to create a man fully committed to public service, but one who does not see public service in the context of party.

The first factor in terms chronology is his military experience starting with the commitment of his grandfather and father who were admirals and men who had responsibilities for other men's lives that would give any normal man pause. That kind of responsibility must be exercised by individuals acutely conscious of their duty and self-consciously committed to integrity. This is the military ethos translated into civilian language but it describes a man with the power of life and death over others who must exercise that power in good conscience or he degenerates into a tyrant and a murderer.

The ethos requires 100% commitment to integrity. When John McCain entered the Naval Academy this ethos was battered and bashed into every midshipman and, despite McCain's screwing around, I think the message took. The academies work on the honor code, one of the fundamental principles of which is that the individual must do what is right in a moral sense and not content himself only with what is right and satisfactory for jailhouse lawyer. The officer must habituate himself to determining for himself what is right and doing it. McCain's remarkable career in the Navy including a fire on the USS Oriskany and his combat experiences would have served only to sharpen this honed reflex.

His conduct during captivity demonstrates that by the time he was put under torture in the Hanoi Hilton this facet of his character had been deeply rooted. But the experience of torture took him to one more level -he was broken.

In order to carry this thesis forward let may have resort backward in time to a post which I offered before the election in which, I think, gives us a better understanding of John McCain the man and politician than merely rebuking him for his inconstancy to conservative principles. It is my thesis that John McCain is no conservative but it is pointless to rebuke him for his condition because he earned what he is honestly and I do not believe there is a single one of us who would willingly endure it:

McCain's Vietnam experience was so shattering that he sees the world through a new lens, the experience so profound that he has emerged from it with a lifelong commitment to country. This gives credibility to McCain's claim that he is a maverick, beholden not to party but to principle and country. This claim to independence is necessary in a political climate in which the present occupant of the White House is found to be unsatisfactory by nearly three out of four Americans. So, the narrative explains why a voter can believe at John McCain is different from ordinary politicians, especially ordinary Republican politicians, and they can't believe he should be trusted to embark on a new course away from current administration policies.

At the end of his acceptance speech, McCain recited how he came to be utterly broken but then restored, even redeemed with a new commitment to service to others when a fellow prisoner urged him by prison telegraph not to quit and die but instead to carry on the fight out of respect for his comrades who even then were carrying on the fight for him.

Psychologists and scholars of religious experience, especially Christian scholars, have long been aware of the empowering release generated by total surrender of the will. One can describe this in psychological language, or in Biblical language, or even in evangelical idiom.

Whatever language one uses to describe these epiphanies there is no question that very often they are real and long lasting. Psychologists would begin to explain the phenomenon by reference to the ego. An Old Testament scholar might think in terms of the first and second Commandments and the muscular faith which follows adherence to them. Christians speak of dying to the self, picking up the cross and following the Savior to become a new man-to be born again. Perhaps the most famous example is recounted in the Book of Acts which tells that Saul of Tarsus was physically knocked off his horse by the Holy Spirit. Saul experiences an epiphany, Saul becomes Paul, and is transformed from a murderous persecutor of Christians to a fully committed martyr who becomes the great evangelist of the early church, indomitable in spirit, inflexible in commitment, and-like the other disciples- utterly fearless. Significantly, Paul, the newbie Christian, does not shrink later from taking on Peter the acknowledged leader of the disciples "to his face" to dispute matters of doctrine.

In contemporary history we have the example of George Bush and his transforming encounter with Reverend Billy Graham. Indeed, we have the Reverend Billy Graham's own epiphany in the forest. We have the numberless examples recited daily in meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous. It is from the success of this group that countless so-called "12 step" groups have been formed to apply successfully the same empowering message of surrender.

The important thing to understand about these epiphanies is that when they are genuine they are often life-long and tremendously empowering. Lives really are transformed forever. Criminals go straight, alcoholics stay sober, and the miserable are made happy. In fact, these newly born spirits enjoy their new condition so much that they seek ways to prolong the joy they have obtained in their moment of sweet release. Almost universally, these people find that service to others is the surest way to prolong that wonderful feeling of well-being.

Isolated, sick, starved and beaten beyond human endurance, John McCain ultimately broke and signed a confession which he mistakenly assumed amounted to a betrayal of his country. Who was this wretched man who lay so anguished in that cell? In his memoir and in his speech, McCain described himself as a kind of a hotshot jet jock, a screwup, a discipline problem in school, and an accomplished accumulator of demerits as a midshipman. Evidently, he was also an enthusiastic swordsman. In short, he was an arrogant SOB. Now, in that cell, he had fallen far. The classic description of the crushing of the ego. At this pivotal moment came the means of his redemption via the prison telegraph: Service to others out of love of country. In his speech McCain declared:

"And I wasn't my own man anymore, I was my country's"

And now we know the rest of the story. This is not to say that John McCain was instantly sanctified in all respects, far from it. He still had to swim his way out of a giant mental, moral and spiritual hangover from his ordeal. His screwing around would cost him his marriage before he could swim to shore. Even today, the old self bursts out in temper. But when one lays this template over the rest of John McCain’s career, one should have little difficulty accepting the story as being essentially true (I for one believe it) and to accept it as a convincing explanation of his career and his conception of his role as president.

If you have stayed with me this far and you accept at least the thrust of what I've been saying, I'm sure your question must be: So what? What makes McCain such a maverick? Why can he not be loyal to party? Why did the experience not make him a conservative?

Again Kindly Indulge me and let me have shameless resort to another pre-election post:

What about the implications for us conservatives of John McCain's epiphany?

Well that of course depends on how John McCain defines putting country first. It's quite clear that he is not replaced his giant ego trip with a classic Reaganesque conservative philosophy. The danger for conservatives is that John McCain has no identifiable framework, no principled political philosophy upon which to identify the nation's interest.

The great danger to us conservatives, and of course to the nation as a whole, is that John McCain operates ad hoc.

This is what George Will has been alluding to in his column in which he expressed his dismay that McCain has called for the firing of SEC Chairman Cox, "It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed"

We know what Barak Obama's vision for America is, it is written down, not in his own autobiographies, but in Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. We know also that John McCain has been intensely energized with a vision for America. We're just not quite sure what it is that informs that vision.

Whatever it is that John McCain put in place of his broken ego is a hell of a lot better than what drives Barak Obama. But that does not mean that we conservatives will not always be gnashing our teeth over John McCain. I can understand how a man who has been brought by torture to the very cusp of death really does not give a fig for party squabbles. As a military man he saw sailors not as Republicans or Democrats but as Americans. Today, he sees the country not as Republicans or Democrats but as Americans. It is not that John McCain does not value the Republican Party, it is that he simply does not understand that the American democracy functions as a adversarial system and not as a collegial system. If a party does not fight its corner, as it has not under George Bush for four years and in many ways at the hands of John McCain in the last election, the system breaks down. Our democracy just does not work right.

If Republicans do not attack Obama for the corruption in Chicago, the public will not be served because the truth would never emerge. The adversarial party has an actual duty to be adversarial for the good of the country. That is how in one application we limit corruption. One-party states are always corrupt.

Decades of experience in the United States Senate encourages collegiality and tends to rub off the sharp edges of partisanship. Military men are especially susceptible to this thinking. Chuck Schumer on the other hand needs no inoculation, he is virtually immune to the seductions of bipartisanship. But a military man who claims one of the most extraordinary epiphanies in American public life, can be understood and, given his extraordinary sacrifice for the country, perhaps forgiven if he sees the world of politics from the vantage of a different place.


48 posted on 03/17/2014 4:26:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Valid points and good intent - I suppose it is the decades of errant McCain behavior leading many here to summary execution with any of his latest proclamations.

I confess a tendency to this response as it seems absurd to soberly contemplate the latest actions of someone routinely displaying irrationality. Your sense of civility and desire to focus on merits is admirable.

49 posted on 03/17/2014 4:31:23 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: kingattax

I rather McCain was president than the clown who currently occupies the White House. McCain knows how to deal with Putin.


50 posted on 03/17/2014 4:54:57 AM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: kingattax

McCain is a cancerous growth on the US Senate masquerading as an idiot.


51 posted on 03/17/2014 5:02:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: kingattax
On 14 March, the leader of Svoboda Oleh Tiahnybok met with US Senators, namely: John McCain, Richard Durbin, John Barrasso, John Hoeven, Ron Johnson, Christopher Murphy, Jeff Flake and Sheldon Whitehouse. During the meeting, the parties discussed the current political situation in Ukraine.

"Thus, we expect the US and the international community to assist us in re-equipment of Ukrainian troops and help us to protect all territories, including sea and space. There is a great need for re-assurance that Ukraine will not be left to face Moscow alone", - said Oleh Tiahnybok."

And these are the ultra-nationalist neo-nazis as I recall.

Strong work McCain. You idiot.

52 posted on 03/17/2014 5:10:19 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: kingattax

Well, everyone needs to go to gas stations - so what’s his critique ?


53 posted on 03/17/2014 5:10:45 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: kingattax
mccain is an idiot masquerading as a US senator.

You beat me to it!

54 posted on 03/17/2014 5:15:20 AM PDT by fedupjohn (America...Designed by Geniuses...Now inhabited by Idiots..Palin 2016...)
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To: Southack
I hate to say it, but America dodged a bullet in 2008.

If McCain had been elected, America would be a smoldering radioactive crater by now.

55 posted on 03/17/2014 5:23:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: goldstategop

You make a very good point, and the GOP is as much to blame as the Democrats.

China is massively exploiting American markets.

They ran more than 300 billion dollars, of trade surplus, against America just last year. They out exported America by (almost) a 3/1 ratio.

We need to make things here in America. Republicans we need to make things in America.

Stop importing everything.


56 posted on 03/17/2014 5:24:31 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: kingattax

John McCain pals around with Jihadist liver-eaters in Syria and neo-Nazi crazies in Kiev.

He is deranged and needs to go.


57 posted on 03/17/2014 5:26:52 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: MarMema
George Soros giant globalist footprint in Ukraine's turmoil
58 posted on 03/17/2014 5:40:15 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: fedupjohn

mccain is an idiot masquerading as a US senator.

You beat me to it!

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

McCain is an idiot. He also is an idiot masquerading as a US Senator.


59 posted on 03/17/2014 5:41:33 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".)
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To: nathanbedford

I believe two factors in the life of John McCain combined to create a man fully committed to public service

= = = = = = = = =
Public service is a much ‘misused’ or misunderstood word, right up there with ‘hero’.

Public service is more like the Volunteer Firefighter, Volunteer Sheriff Deputy, the minimum wage person in a nursing home cleaning bed pans, maybe even saying a policeman, fireman or Military is a ‘public servant’ may be a possibility.

How can you call someone a ‘public servant’ who make more than probably 2/3’s of the citizens, house a retirement package to ‘die’ for, spends 20-30 times his salary to get elected/re-elected, which sort of proves something going on as very few of them leave any the poorer for it AND when they do leave it is often to a ‘job’ that is able to sway or influence those that replace them.

Years ago Generals and Admirals would retire and show up a few days later working for the same company they were ‘overseeing’.
CONGRESS put a stop to that.
When is CONGRESS going to put a stop to their shenanigans.

I guess a ‘good’ answer would be WHEN PIGS SPROUT WINGS AND FLY.

How can you look forward to term limits when it is up to the people we are trying to stem to vote it into being?

OUR elected officials are NOT PUBLIC SERVANTS, they have made themselves the ‘untouchable elites’ and made US their ‘servants’.

The old HS election by the guy that never did anything while all his opponents worked ‘hard’ at getting elected.
He won hands down and when his ‘skeptical’ parents asked how he had done it he said:
“I told him WE were going to treat all of them to a weekend at our Beach House”.


60 posted on 03/17/2014 5:58:17 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".)
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