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Cross Purposes: Should Anti-Discrimination Laws Trump Religious Freedom?
National Review ^ | 03/09/2014 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 03/10/2014 7:14:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: discrimination; gaymarriage; gayrights; religion

1 posted on 03/10/2014 7:14:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

To the headline: no
Religious freedom is a constructional guarantee


2 posted on 03/10/2014 7:17:24 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

> To the headline: no
> Religious freedom is a constructional guarantee

+1 (bttt)


3 posted on 03/10/2014 7:21:42 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: svcw

CONSTITUTIONAL


4 posted on 03/10/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually both are equal in the Constitution’s eyes. SCOTUS has made that clear for a very long time. There always needs to be a balance. No Constitutional right is absolute.

The issue with discrimination is who is a “suspect” class. For instance, you don’t get to “refuse service” based on race by citing the First Amendment. So those that think “religious freedom” trumps all are just flat wrong.

But ... the issue is are homosexuals a “suspect class”. The answer should be, and has been, “no” but that is not where we are headed.


5 posted on 03/10/2014 7:38:33 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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RE: But ... the issue is are homosexuals a “suspect class”.

In the case of Colorado, it isn’t even about homosexuals. It is about the Sacrament of MARRIAGE.

The Christian Bakers would be glad to bake homosexuals a cake anytime. However they do not want to participate in a “MARRIAGE” which they consider sacrilegious.

In this case, I would say “yes”, their constitutional right to practice their religion should trump the gays demanding that their “marriage” be served.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 8:25:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

i can’t wait for the gay gene to be bred out of existence through the evolutionary process.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 9:21:35 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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RE: i can’t wait for the gay gene to be bred out of existence through the evolutionary process.

Speaking of the gay gene, have they found the B gene in the LGBTQ equation?

How about the T gene and the Q gene?

And oh yeah, let’s not forget the P (Pedophilia) gene.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 9:24:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: RIghtwardHo

Not sure where you get the idea, EXCEPT for the 9 black-robed tyrany, that our Rights are ‘not absolute’ (and they call us L’tarians kooky here)

BOTH are Rights and both in the 1st: of Religion and of Assembly (the latter being how one can ‘discriminate’ for OR against anyone/thing else).

If a biz owner wishes to discriminate, for WHATEVER reason they deem, it is THEIR biz to do so....I have as much a Right to NOT associate and/or shop there. *I*, nor the gov’t, pays for that biz employees, taxes, fees, utilities, etc.; nor should the same be making rules/etc. that might be counter to the biz/owner.


9 posted on 03/10/2014 9:29:55 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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10 posted on 03/10/2014 10:01:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“In the case of Colorado, it isn’t even about homosexuals. It is about the Sacrament of MARRIAGE.”

It is also about compelled art...which is a clear violation of the First Amendment. The issue of the bakers wasn’t about selling people a made cake and letting them walk out of the store with it...it was about compelled production of what amounts to a custom piece of art. I have a friend who is an artisan in bras who happens to be an atheist. There is no way that he should be forced to hammer out a relief of a crucifixion scene. To compel him to do so would be disgusting, even if there was a chance he’d do it well.


11 posted on 03/14/2014 12:50:47 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Speaking of the gay gene, have they found the B gene in the LGBTQ equation?”

Actually, that’s just being indiscriminate.


12 posted on 03/14/2014 12:52:02 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

How about the T gene?


13 posted on 03/14/2014 1:06:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve got nothing as explanation for that one. :-)


14 posted on 03/14/2014 5:37:39 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep. I readily accepted, many moons ago, we are no longer a Republic.


15 posted on 03/17/2014 10:15:36 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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