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Fifty thousand Orthodox Jews take over TEN BLOCKS of New York in protest over Israeli army plan..
AP ^ | March 10, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 03/10/2014 5:51:07 AM PDT by C19fan

Ten city blocks of Manhattan became a river of black Sunday as 50,000 dark-clad ultra-Orthodox Jews took to the streets to protest Israel's proposal to force their young boys into its army. The gathering took up a stretch of Water Street, with demonstrators standing behind police barricades amid tight security as they prayed in solidarity with their brethren in Israel. 'These kids, a lot of them don't know how to hold a gun. They don't know what physical warfare is,' said Long Island rabbinical student Shmuel Gruis.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: astroturf; draft; effenjb; idf; israel; jews; newyork; newyorkcity; orthodox; usefulidiots; waronterror
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To: C19fan

In Israel, you are correct. Not the USA.


101 posted on 03/11/2014 7:56:44 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: PapaBear3625

“OK, so the Israeli government could just tell them: have it your own way. While you can live here, you are responsible for your own security — Israeli army elements will no longer protect your community, plus no more public assistance for you.”

The problem is there is (like in the USA) a thin line between liberal idiots and conservatives, made worse because it is a parliamentary system.

The Satmar have a party that shifts alliances depending on who gives them the most goodies.


102 posted on 03/11/2014 7:58:37 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: masadaman

“But Hitler eliminated the private ownership of firearms for everyone in Germany well before Kristalnacht.”

Actually, he opened it up for “German citizens.”

Of course, Jews and the like were not “German citizens” and they had their weapons taken — made possible by an existing registry.


103 posted on 03/11/2014 7:59:59 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: old and tired

“, many of these ultra-Orthodox men don’t provide tangible support for their families. They live off welfare and impregnate their wives. I understand it’s their tradition, but I also know that a man’s job is to provide for his family, not see that they suck off the teat of government.”

It is “many,” but it is not “most.”


104 posted on 03/11/2014 8:01:27 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Earthdweller
I'll never forget how the Romans treated my Grandmother

Romans? I though most priests back then were Irish.

105 posted on 03/11/2014 8:02:25 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Understand this as well: studying Torah is the highest Jewish duty.”

Perhaps. I understand the highest mitzvah of a Jew is the preservation of Jewish life. If you house catches on fire when studying the Torah, would you not be required to leave the house?

Regardless, studying Torah is not the ONLY duty.

There is a time for every mitzvah in a balanced life.


106 posted on 03/11/2014 8:09:31 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The religion was run by Roman conquerors..and it still shows. Doesn’t matter if they were/are Irish or Chinese.


107 posted on 03/11/2014 8:10:36 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Earthdweller
The religion was run by Roman conquerors

You mean the religion that brought the Jewish concept of ethical monotheism to the world?

108 posted on 03/11/2014 8:18:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: C19fan

Its more than just that....ask anyone lives around Monroe NY

yet Freepers think orthodox means great by default


109 posted on 03/11/2014 8:21:42 AM PDT by wardaddy (ukraine......aint nobody gonna do nothing but talk and try to score political points)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"You mean the religion that brought the Jewish concept of ethical monotheism to the world?

By that logic..every time an islamic terrorist beheads an infidel to enhance the Islamic Caliphate..they are helping to spread the "Jewish" idea of one G-d. Polese...spare me.

The Romans tried to exterminate the Jews and rewrote their history and religion..including how Jesus died and who he was, all for their advantage...privilege, money and power.

110 posted on 03/11/2014 8:24:28 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: C19fan

In Israel...many many Hasidim live on the arm....

Its tension no question.....for other Jews

But the Orthodox prime the guilt of the secular for being non religious....they get paid with tax dollars for being observant

Its an odd bunch....I’ve known a few I liked but they are very very different

Average goy Freeper would have more in common with secular Jew....particularly Israeli

But what defines that unicorn....a Jewish conservative is family and roots more than anything....which is why its rare

And...being observant for a Jew is very different than for Christian

Its more about practices....


111 posted on 03/11/2014 8:28:51 AM PDT by wardaddy (ukraine......aint nobody gonna do nothing but talk and try to score political points)
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To: Jewbacca

Thank you for your wise and reasoned response.


112 posted on 03/11/2014 8:45:40 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: left that other site; Zionist Conspirator

“Thank you for your wise and reasoned response.”

Well, I got my angry one out of the way in Post 100.


113 posted on 03/11/2014 8:50:13 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jewbacca

I went back and read it.

It is a righteous anger. You are within your rights and have earned it!
:-)


114 posted on 03/11/2014 8:53:32 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: Earthdweller
The Romans tried to exterminate the Jews and rewrote their history and religion..including how Jesus died and who he was, all for their advantage...privilege, money and power.

I assume you are talking about the Talmudic references regarding Jesus?

115 posted on 03/11/2014 9:19:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Jewbacca
It is “many,” but it is not “most.”

Nevertheless, it is too many. It infuriates me when a family who already does not support itself deliberately has more children. Most of the families I personally know who do this are actually orthodox Catholics (which I myself am). They receive WIC, CHiP and food stamps. Perhaps I was projecting a bit with my statement but it does seem the Hasidic tradition of sending a husband and father out to study Torah all day while his wife bears many children is a recipe for this sort of thing. I'm familiar with Kiryas Joel where something like 40% are on food stamps. I don't want to take food from hungry children's mouths, but I feel their parents should be more responsible about taking care of their own instead of planning to use the government to feed their children.

116 posted on 03/11/2014 9:38:07 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Blennos

The Ultra-Orthodox Haredi sects vote how their rabbis tell them. In New York City, their leaders make deals with Democrats for welfare and special privileges. They will vote for Republican mayors.


117 posted on 03/11/2014 10:17:02 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: CodeToad

Very sophisticated response. Thanks.


118 posted on 03/11/2014 11:00:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: C19fan
"The dirty little secret of these Ultra-Orthodox enclaves is they have some of the highest rates of Welfare use of any demographic group."

They're not as dirty as employers who want them to assimilate into idolatry. They are left with getting highly educated and getting into jobs with bosses who support them or starting their own businesses with a strong drive to be successful. Assimilating into a pool of new Roman idolatry is not a good option for them. On the issue of joining the IDF, I don't know.


119 posted on 03/11/2014 3:57:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; jjotto

True in some ways (comment #68) about Israel, secular states and Prophets. When we’re there in time, all will know it. I would still be afraid to oppose Jewish people being in Israel, though, regardless of the mix of people involved. Some of each of the various groups obviously have their purpose, and many still don’t know it.

But then that brings us around to who is most physically involved in preserving and teaching Torah the most, too (Chassidim). In a big way, they’re not so withdrawn. Some of them are teaching those of us who’ve asked honestly and repeatedly, when all others refuse (except Reform, but I’m not talking about Reform).


120 posted on 03/11/2014 5:02:17 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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