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The Real German Warning for Cold War II (Pat Buchanan)
The American Conservative ^ | March 7, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:28:25 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: cripplecreek
The Ukraine thing is something that a real president would have seen and worked to head off by diplomatic means.

It should have been solved in 1994, but Clinton and Yeltsin blew it.

21 posted on 03/07/2014 7:58:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
What has this to do with Putin? He, too, believes his country was humiliated and shabbily treated after the Cold War, [...]

Shabbily treated? By whom? The Soviet Empire imploded. Its inhabitants rebelled. No foreign troops threatened it. No outside terms were dictated. No ignominious treaties were forced on it.

Regards,

22 posted on 03/07/2014 8:00:40 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: varmintman

Nice defense of national socialism.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 8:03:21 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: dfwgator

If Yeltsin were sober he probably wouldn’t have ever given up the Crimean. Giving up Russia’s only deepwater year round port was about as dumb as it gets. Its the sort of thing Obama would do.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 8:03:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Pat does a good job of instructing us where the many fault lines in Europe lie.

The borders of countries in Europe and Russia have changed countless times in just the time the United States has been in existence.

What is happening in the Ukraine is not black and white. I don’t know who the good guys are, who the bad guys are, or what the difference is.

All I know, is that after the debacles that our political elite made out of military victories in Iraq and Afghanistan,I am done saving the world. After 70 years of sacrifice, America has done enough.

Let the European Union send their sons and daughters into the battle. It is on their doorstep, not ours.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 8:04:37 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: varmintman
Basic cold, hard reality appears to be that the British started WW-II

I'm a big fan of Buchanan, always have been. He makes arguments that others are afraid to make.

But I think he's wrong here. It was said of Napoleon that he didn't want all of Europe, just those parts that bordered his empire. And as his empire expanded, so did the number of countries that bordered it.

Same goes with Hitler. He didn't want to attack the West...yet. If Britain and France would have stayed out of the Polish conflict, perhaps Hitler would have first driven east. Moscow then Paris instead of Paris then Moscow.

26 posted on 03/07/2014 8:05:58 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

Hitler wanted revenge on the French as much as Lebensraum in the East.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 8:06:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: alexander_busek

The war in Bosnia was a violation of promises made to Russia by George H.W. Bush (IIRC) to wit that there would be no NATO or other western incursions into former Soviet Bloc territory. Of course, this was part of the European Union’s push into that area, since after the Cold War the leadership of NATO was basically handed to them, and Clinton to a great degree was “leading from behind” (actually following).

And since Putin believes that the collapse of the USSR was the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the previous century, he has been working feverishly to rebuild the USSR in his own image.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 8:06:50 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cripplecreek

I just wonder how much pressure the US put on Ukraine to give up their nukes?


29 posted on 03/07/2014 8:07:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: skinkinthegrass; Colonel Kangaroo
1988..(NE lib.) GHWB, set about dismantling (almost) everything RWR did.

And again, when you think about their track record since Nixon . . .

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30 posted on 03/07/2014 8:08:52 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Leaning Right
And here I thought that the meaning of “Heute Deutschland, morgen die Welt” was unambiguous.
31 posted on 03/07/2014 8:09:01 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: exit82

Our blood and money allowed Europe to recover from WWII. We don’t owe Europe or the world a thing. Woodrow Wilson’s century of American sacrifice should end.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 8:10:08 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Olog-hai

Hitler, in his mind, was fighting International Jewry, and any country that felt that was “run by Jews” was going to be an eventual target, including the USA.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 8:10:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: varmintman
Basic cold, hard reality appears to be that the British started WW-II...

No.

Adolph Hitler and his National Socialist "Third Reich" started WWII.

Britain and France may be fairly blamed for setting the stage for it. Britain in particular may be fairly blamed for permitting it (by inaction and pusillanimous conduct). But starting it?

Hitler started it. And Stalin was complicit.

34 posted on 03/07/2014 8:10:25 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: dfwgator

Yes, and their declaration of war upon the USA was unprovoked and unrelated to any alleged actions by Britain anyhow.

Should he have been allowed to breach every treaty he made in the name of “peace” notwithstanding? I think not.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 8:12:35 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: NorthMountain

Damn right Stalin was complicit, he knew signing the Non-Aggression Pact, and agreeing to carve up Poland with Hitler, would start the war in the West.

Then Stalin would bide his time, until all the armies bled themselves dry.

One thing he didn’t count on, France falling without much of a fight. He had to know then and there, it was only a matter of time before Hitler would come after him.


36 posted on 03/07/2014 8:13:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The last thing anyone wants is for those corrupt, antisemitic entities in Europe to take over as world police. Whether they realize it yet or not.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 8:13:52 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

We pretty much were going to be at war with Germany, no matter what.

Britain also declared war on Japan, after Pearl, so that automatically lifted any restrictions on aiding Britain, only a matter of time before the Germans attacked one of our ships, giving us the Casus Belli to declare war on Germany.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 8:14:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I’m just waiting to see which new cold “warrior” in DC is first to declare that we need to give up just a little more freedom and a lot of money to protect us from the Russian horde.


39 posted on 03/07/2014 8:16:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yep. Of course the -tensions- of war keep our eyes focused on foreign threats to liberty, rather than the far more ominous domestic aggressors. That is something the Soviets exported lock, stock, and barrel to Versailles on the Potomac.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 8:18:26 AM PST by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here, Pharaoh.)
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