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LGBT group to march in South Boston's St. Patrick's Day Parade
Boston ^ | 3/1/14 | Zimmerman

Posted on 03/01/2014 4:03:53 PM PST by mgist

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To: stanne
Ask Cardinal Dolan. He’ll be at the NYC Parade. I am not above him in Catholic hierarchy nor in theological studies. Take it up with him. Or go to boston and take it up with the Catholic Church there. They are the ones heading up the parade in question in the article that leads the discussion on this thread.

Why go to him or them? He was not the one invoking the CCC as authoritative, but you were, so either and answer the questions and deal with the problems that will follow with your argument, or stop invoking the authority of Rome.

Let me know.

81 posted on 03/03/2014 12:26:33 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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Why? This thread is about saint Patrick and the parade

I put up a reference to be read. You can read it or not. you can see the the biblical references or not. You don’t have to. And you don’t have to be catholic

You have an argument with Catholicism. So why be on a thread that talks about the saints? You’re planning on convincing me that the catechism is stupid? I’m supposed to look at and read all the references the theologians used in to write those three paragraphs and conclude that you are smarter than they are? why would i do that? no.

I put a catechism reference up. You have a problem with the catechism. Take it up with someone in the hierarchy, they are the ones who wrote it and quit harassing me

Whatever your problem with the church is, you won’t solve it harassing me. It’s a 2000 year old institution which thrives. You won’t find the answer bugging me

St Patrick lived in the 300s. His feast day has been celebrated for 1700 years. Your problem with that is way beyond my level of expertise. And you know it. So go see a priest. Or don’t. I really don’t care


82 posted on 03/03/2014 3:13:20 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
I put up a reference to be read. You can read it or not. you can see the the biblical references or not. You don’t have to. And you don’t have to be catholic You have an argument with Catholicism. So why be on a thread that talks about the saints?

What you did in the context of opposing homosexuality was invoke the catechism as the standard saints go by, even though Rome had not published one for a long time after Patrick.

But by making the catechism as the standard then you invited a challenge to that as being the standard, and then tried to divert the challenge to someone who did not make it here.

Take it up with someone in the hierarchy, they are the ones who wrote it and quit harassing me

You can quite any time, but you were the one that made it a Catholic issue by invoking the Hibernians (booze not being the issue) in response to my simple remark that " as the Sodomites sought to force their way into just Lot's house, the demons that drive the homosexual activist work to force there way into every place they are excluded from.."

Thus you were the one that began the Catholic issue, and continued to do so, but when challenged you want to send me to your hierarchy. Which evidences that you do have really have an argument, but only assertions. Which is quite Roman in the first place.

Tell your hierarchy to come here and take your place in answering my responses, but don't send me to them to deal with an argument you began.

So go see a priest. Or don’t. I really don’t care

I have seen plenty in my life, and know both sides. And most RCs do not care about Truth.

83 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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‘Most Catholics ... ‘

You’re living in a world where you believe the Catholic Church is a democratic system. It is not.

The Church is a 2000 year old institution founded by Jesus. Of course it is the truth.

All those words are a waste of time and effort

We are not talking about the same thing

There are priests available with whom you can speak, but, as I said, I cannot assist with whatever it is you are questioning. Our views of the Church are just two different entities

You would have to refer to the true church, the Biblical one.


84 posted on 03/03/2014 8:04:53 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
You’re living in a world where you believe the Catholic Church is a democratic system. It is not.

You are repeating yourself, and which is not even a valid argument, as the problem is that, as said and ignored, regardless of what Rome officially states, Scripture teaches that it is what we do that manifests what we really believe - "I will shew thee my faith by my works." (Ja. 2:18) And what Rome does is treat even prohomosexual public figures as members in life and in death,

The Church is a 2000 year old institution founded by Jesus. Of course it is the truth.

That also is a spurious argument, as longevity does not equate to validity, esp. as being the same church as the NT one, in critical contrast to it.

All those words are a waste of time and effort We are not talking about the same thing

Yours are, for the more you insist on making assertions of validity of elitist Rome then the more she will exposed. He that exalts himself shall be abased.

There are priests available with whom you can speak,

I have tried, but they do not want to, and it is because of such then you have the laity here attempting to promote and defend Rome. When on a forum then assertions invite challenges.

You would have to refer to the true church, the Biblical one.

And the premise that Rome is the One True church is an assertion, and thus the question i asked before as to the basis for its authority: "What is the basis for your assurance that Rome is the one true and infallible church?" Tell your priest to sign up here and answer if he want to do so .

Of course, amidst the conflicting statements of Rome are those who which forbid lay persons from engaging in deebates as this:

We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii: - http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Religious_Discussions

"...when there is a question of dogmatic or moral theology, every intelligent layman will concede the propriety of leaving the exposition and defence of it to the clergy.” [who themselves needed due authorization]. - www.newadvent.org/cathen/05034a.htm

“the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

Is it permitted for Christians to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! - (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos)

And which statements, as with so much of RC teaching, is open to interpretation .

85 posted on 03/03/2014 8:50:55 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Blah blah blah

Take it up with the theologians in the Church


86 posted on 03/03/2014 9:57:54 PM PST by stanne
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