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What Is Russia’s Aim in Ukraine?
New York Times ^ | Masrch 1, 2014 | THE Editorial Board

Posted on 03/01/2014 2:16:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

The morons at NYT didn’t seem too concerned 80 years ago, why change now?


21 posted on 03/01/2014 2:34:08 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree - controlling the Black Sea again would give Putin lots of unpleasant opportunities as far as other Eastern European countries are concerned.


22 posted on 03/01/2014 2:37:30 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Russia wants to make sure its neighbors toe the line. The Russian Bear after all has heft.

And no one can afford to offend Russia.


23 posted on 03/01/2014 2:41:27 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
Funny..the first mention about Russia by the American left in this century was about Russia not giving concessions to homosexuals and now they are making military moves against paid "rebels" po-ed because the couldn't hand over strategic energy routes to the EU.

Everyone knew well in advance that Russia would never sit idle for such a move.

I say it's funny because it is odd how the left and equivalent parties of the EU decide, when and where, to make moves around the globe....over homosexual rights. Gads.

24 posted on 03/01/2014 2:41:51 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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So the Ukrainians had no legitimate complaints, then?

They were happy that their neighbor to the North had forced an energy monopoly on them that locked them into paying three times as much for heat and power as anyone else in Europe?

It was outside meddlers who first suggested that making their entire paychecks over to Gazprom every month was a raw deal?

25 posted on 03/01/2014 2:45:10 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm sure our community organizer and boy military genius is on it.

Actually, he's not.

Obama Skips National Security Team Meeting on Russia, Ukraine

The most serious global security issue since 9/11 and Obama can't bother to keep up on the details. Hardly a surprise, I'm sure he had a tee time.

26 posted on 03/01/2014 2:49:22 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Earthdweller

500,000 people in the street, and you think it’s about homos. LOLOL


27 posted on 03/01/2014 2:51:48 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: humblegunner
Ain't no situation so bad what it can't be made worse by adding Obama.

Don't forget we got Kerry and Biden on the job too--there's an underwhelming brain trust made in hell.

28 posted on 03/01/2014 2:52:00 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: wideawake
"So the Ukrainians had no legitimate complaints, then?

I never said the Ukranine was ever happy with their lot..I'm just pointing out that the timing of escalation of this long term conflict is rather telling. The deal offered by the EU is the provocation.

Obama has made two "threats", if you want to call them that, to Russia in recent months and the first was over gay rights. Now this ....

29 posted on 03/01/2014 3:02:12 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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What Is Russia’s Aim in Ukraine?

Duh. Just look at the map, NYTimes (yes, science's latest invention, the map). Any natural barriers between eastern Ukraine and Moscow? Any warm water ports on Russian territory providing access to the Mediterranean? Locations of pipe lines leading to Europe?

Yes, yes Russia will allow Ukraine to be controlled by the EU and NATO. NYTimes is mystified as to why Russia is behaving this way.

30 posted on 03/01/2014 3:02:58 PM PST by BusterBear
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To: Jim Robinson
Sarah Palin predicted this situation 6 years ago. The pundit fools, chattering monkeys, and the moronic politicians mocked her at that time.

Sarah Palin has more intuition and common sense regarding foreign affairs than all these nuanced pseudo-intellectuals put together.

All the fools were yucking it up to Tina Fey jokes, and now the world is paying a price.

This is what happens when you put the Choom gang in charge of very serious and sensitive international affairs. You get Choom gang style results.

31 posted on 03/01/2014 3:04:00 PM PST by Moorings
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Putin's "dangerous approach" to foreign policy?

I see no danger whatsoever for Putin in any of this.

32 posted on 03/01/2014 3:12:15 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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"500,000 people in the street, and you think it’s about homos. LOLOL

Nice try...the aged old strategic conflict in the Ukraine is over energy...the reason for provoking it at this moment in time is over gay rights or "human rights" as the world commie movement likes to state it.

Look at your timeline for political interaction. The American left laughed at Romney in 2012 when he called Russia a threat. Now we are on the verge of WWIII. The EU took moves to provoke this...why now?

33 posted on 03/01/2014 3:13:19 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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34 posted on 03/01/2014 3:13:24 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Earthdweller

The protestors in Ukraine were not in the street about homos. Seriously.


35 posted on 03/01/2014 3:16:23 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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Again...the protesters were in the streets over an energy deal and money, the timing by the provocateurs of worldwide chaos was over homos.


36 posted on 03/01/2014 3:24:31 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Oil and natural gas. Duh!


37 posted on 03/01/2014 4:17:38 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: ErnBatavia

It’s Barackhenaten!


38 posted on 03/01/2014 7:00:26 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: wideawake

Russia has put money into the naval docks there in the Crimea, and bases their fleet there. Personally....I probably wouldn’t do anything different than what they have done already. Historically....the Crimea wasn’t part of the Ukraine, and most Ukrainians are well aware of the short history of the two.

The odd side to this story is that fifty-odd ethnic groups make up the grand Ukraine today. To just say that ethnic Russians are the only issue....would be stupid. So, this is a fairly robust episode, and I’d just sit back for several years of civil warfare. If you ask me....it’s Yugoslavia all over again.


39 posted on 03/02/2014 1:00:25 AM PST by pepsionice
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