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Sink or swim: Sweden’s new A-26 next-gen submarine in doubt
naval-technology.com ^ | 19 February 2014 | Grant Turnbull

Posted on 02/22/2014 12:03:32 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Concerns are growing over the lack of progress on Sweden’s A26 next-generation submarine programme, which is being developed to replace the Swedish Navy’s current Södermanland-class vessels. Despite the purchase of two submarines being approved by Swedish lawmakers in 2010, firm orders have yet to be placed.

Kockums submarine

Contract negotiations are still ongoing between Swedish shipbuilders Kockums, who will manufacturer the vessel, and Sweden's Defence Materiel Administration (FMV). Differences between the two parties have significantly slowed contract negotiations, but details of what those differences actually are remain unknown. Both sides are tight-lipped on the whole process. ""The company will be left with no choice but to cut jobs and unions warn that Kockums' submarine division may have to close completely."."

It is likely FMV and Kockums, which is owned by German shipbuilders ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, cannot come to an agreement on the price of the new submarines. Sweden could lose the ability to indigenously build submarines

The fear is that as the delays increase and orders are not placed, Kockums will not be able to afford the staff it has assigned to the A26 programme. The company will be left with no choice but to cut jobs and unions warn that Kockums' submarine division may have to close completely. If this happens, Sweden could lose its ability to indigenously build submarines.

That would be an historic event - Kockums has developed and manufactured cutting-edge submarines for the Swedish Navy at its Karlskrona shipyard since the 1930s. Their Gotland-class submarines introduced in the 1990s were the first-ever vessels to use a Stirling air-independent propulsion (AIP) system, extending underwater endurance to weeks rather than days and significantly lowering noise signature.

Technology developed by Kockums has also been integrated into Australia's Collins-class submarines and Singapore's Archer-class vessels. The US Navy also leased a Gotland-class submarine in 2007 to look at methods to counter next-generation submarines with low-noise propulsion systems.

Representatives from the unions at ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems recently wrote an open letter to Sweden's SvD newspaper criticising the contract impasse. "The expertise built up within Kockums for more than a century now risks dissipating in the wind and if this were to happen, you can not collect it again with reasonable means."

"We are skilled professionals in our areas of expertise and our knowledge can certainly be put to good use in other industries. But it would be with a very heavy heart to leave the company that has built large parts of our military fleet and built all of Sweden's submarines over the past century," the representatives' letter said. Delays could cause capability gaps for navy

Even if the orders are eventually placed by the Swedish government, the long delays risk opening up a capability gap for the Swedish Navy. The Södermanland-class vessels, which the A-26 submarine is planned to replace, are set to be withdrawn from service around 2020. When the Swedish Parliament approved the A-26 in 2010, the timeframe was for the new vessels to come online as the Södermanland-class vessels were retired.

Four years on from that decision, a 2020 in-service date for the A-26 is now in doubt. Another concern for those in the Swedish defence industry is the planned upgrades for navy's Gotland-class submarines. These upgrades would extend the life of that platform to the mid-2020s but just like the A-26 stalemate, the FMV has also put off a firm decision on an upgrade contract. ""Even if the orders are eventually placed by the Swedish government, the long delays risk opening up a capability gap for the Swedish Navy.""

Several media outlets in Sweden and Germany have blamed Kockums' German owner ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems for the negotiations impasse. Last October, a source told the German news website The Local that there was a campaign of 'internal warfare' waging in ThyssenKrupp against Kockums.

ThyssenKrupp, which bought Kockums in 2005, also owns German submarine manufacturers HDW a competitor in the global submarine market.

"The purchase of Kockums wasn't aimed at consolidating the naval industry and creating synergies, but at getting rid of a competitor," the source told The Local. At the time a spokesman for Kockums refused to comment on the claims and a spokeswoman for ThyssenKrupp said the company was 'unable to comment on market rumours'.

Whatever the final decision is, it will no doubt have a significant impact on the Swedish defence industry. With the possibility that Sweden could lose its entire capability to manufacture submarines, the stakes couldn't be higher.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: a26; kockums; submarine; sweden

A CGI image of the A26 Submarine - Image courtesy of Kockums

1 posted on 02/22/2014 12:03:32 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A Gotland-class submarine leased to the US Navy - Image courtesy of US Navy
2 posted on 02/22/2014 12:04:14 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If nobody orders one, then they have a problem.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 12:05:35 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Simple solution: If the A-26 is a ‘Bridge Too Far”, then Sweden buys the German Type 214 air independent propulsion diesel-electric submarine.


4 posted on 02/22/2014 12:13:57 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: GeronL

>>If nobody orders one, then they have a problem.<<

There is always QVC or HSN...


5 posted on 02/22/2014 12:16:22 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
*snicker* ..bet the ChiComs, are already stealing/"negotiating" the plans.

6 posted on 02/22/2014 12:22:22 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: MasterGunner01

At the cost of losing 80+ years of experience designing and building its own...


7 posted on 02/22/2014 1:00:42 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We should buy a couple.
‘All Nukes’ is not the best policy.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 6:27:24 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is that seamen coming out of there?

How odd.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 7:14:43 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: freedumb2003

lol


10 posted on 02/22/2014 11:08:48 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Flintlock

>>‘All Nukes’ is not the best policy<<

Yes it is


11 posted on 02/22/2014 2:49:13 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Last October, a source told the German news website The Local that there was a campaign of ‘internal warfare’ waging in ThyssenKrupp against Kockums.”

“The Local” is not a German news site. It is made mostly by British personnel. Author David Landes is from Sweden:
“Germans look to sink Swedish sub maker”
http://www.thelocal.de/20131015/52407

Kockums was sold to TKMS and now TKMS wants to make profit with submarines. Suprise, surprise...


12 posted on 02/24/2014 3:51:13 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: freedumb2003

>> Yes it is <<
It depends on what you want to do.

For intelligence gathering in hostile environment a smaller sub with less crew might be better. A smaller submarine can get much closer to the shore.

Just compare a Virginia-class with a Type 214.

Crew: 135 / 27
Cost: $3b / $0.5b
Torpedoes: 26 (4)/ 13 (8)*
VLS: 12 / n.u.**
Endurance: unlimited (food supply) / 84 days

*: Type 212 (tubes)
**: not used but Vertical Multi Purpose Lock (VMPL) available, just like the ones on Block III Virginias.

Nuclear powered subs are faster but also much louder. Even a US nuclear submarine can’t be at two places at once.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 4:21:30 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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