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Should Neo-Nazis Be Allowed Free Speech?
The Daily Beast ^ | 01-30-2014 | Thane Rosenbaun

Posted on 01/31/2014 5:53:39 AM PST by PaulCruz2016

New studies show that unbridled hateful speech can cause emotional harm. Is it time for the United States to follow other democracies and impose limits on what Neo-Nazis and other haters say?

Over the past several weeks, free speech has gotten costlier—at least in France and Israel.

In France, Dieudonne M’Bala M’Bala, an anti-Semitic stand-up comic infamous for popularizing the quenelle, an inverted Nazi salute, was banned from performing in two cities. M’Bala M’Bala has been repeatedly fined for hate speech, and this was not the first time his act was perceived as a threat to public order.

Meanwhile, Israel’s parliament is soon to pass a bill outlawing the word Nazi for non-educational purposes. Indeed, any slur against another that invokes the Third Reich could land the speaker in jail for six months with a fine of $29,000. The Israelis are concerned about both the rise of anti-Semitism globally, and the trivialization of the Holocaust—even locally.

To Americans, these actions in France and Israel seem positively undemocratic. The First Amendment would never prohibit the quenelle, regardless of its symbolic meaning. And any lover of “Seinfeld” would regard banning the “Soup Nazi” episode as scandalously un-American. After all, in 1977 a federal court upheld the right of neo-Nazis to goose-step right through the town of Skokie, Illinois, which had a disproportionately large number of Holocaust survivors as residents. And more recently, the Supreme Court upheld the right of a church group opposed to gays serving in the military to picket the funeral of a dead marine with signs that read, “God Hates Fags.”

While what is happening in France and Israel is wholly foreign to Americans, perhaps it’s time to consider whether these and other countries may be right. Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; firstamendment; freespeech; neonazi
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1 posted on 01/31/2014 5:53:39 AM PST by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

IIRC, they paraded in NYC during WWII.


2 posted on 01/31/2014 5:54:46 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: PaulCruz2016
Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.

Adios, mofo.

3 posted on 01/31/2014 5:54:48 AM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

A little too late. The sotu was Tuesday night.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 5:56:07 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: PaulCruz2016
In other words, free speech for me but not thee. I find your opinions bothersome, hater. And I don't want to be bothered with them.

Leftists are so predictable.

5 posted on 01/31/2014 5:59:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PaulCruz2016

Unpleasant speech can be emotionally stressful. Of course. But unpleasant experiences are unfortunately part of life. The way leftist talk cause me distress. Seeing Obama or Pelosi on TV causes me distress. Threats to free speech cause me very great distress. Life itself tends to be stressful to most people.
Americans once faced and conquered a wild and hostile continent. Now they want to be protected from unpleasant words. Heaven help us.


6 posted on 01/31/2014 5:59:49 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

No, “they” shouldn’t outlaw it.

The scary part here is not the speech itself, but who is “they”? What do “they” believe and how far will “they” go after this.

What would “they” consider next to be outlawed. Pretty soon everyone speeks the way “they” want them to.

Should KKK rallies be outlawed?
What about Black Panthers?


7 posted on 01/31/2014 6:01:07 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Duh. Protects everyone from David Duke to Barry.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 6:01:25 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: PaulCruz2016

The First Ammendment was INTENDED to protect speech that the majority finds offensive. There would be no need for an ammendment to protect only that speech which is generally found to be inoffensive. I certainly don’t agree with what the neo-nazis say, but they do have the right to say it. The remedy is not to stifle their speech, but to oppose it by presenting contrary ideas.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 6:01:30 AM PST by stremba
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Gee, maybe while we’re at it we should outlaw free speech for commie progressive leftists, too.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 6:02:21 AM PST by Maceman
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To: PaulCruz2016

I thought the followers of the is-lamish “faith” already had free speech. Or they’ll cut your head off.


11 posted on 01/31/2014 6:02:59 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Despite the emotional harm that he causes, I support Thane Rosenbaun’s right to freedom of speech. But perhaps he would be happier if he took up Israeli citizenship and moved to that socialist paradise.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 6:03:04 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PaulCruz2016

Yes. (answer to the headline)

In the US, it is a stupid question. We are the land of “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”

Own it.


13 posted on 01/31/2014 6:03:28 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: stremba

“Ammendment”

The word you are looking for is ‘amendment’. You might want to work on your spell checker.


14 posted on 01/31/2014 6:04:30 AM PST by PAR35
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I see. Why yes, it does sound reasonable that hateful, harmful, hurtful speech should be restricted. After all, why allow something that may cause harm to another?

Of course, that does bring up the problems with degree. Just how hateful, harmful, and hurtful does something have to be in order to be noticed and action taken against the speaker?

Then there is the determination of exactly what is considered hateful, harmful, and hurtful...

Or the problem of who gets to decide...

Or who/what is protected from such speech. How big of a group or demographic counts? You don't want to discriminate on size do you?

What if it is hateful speech against something that is harmful? Hmmm...


Beginning to see it yet? Down that path lies madness and oppression. While free speech can be (in fact will be) hateful, harmful, and hurtful - it beats the alternatives. People have to put on their big-boy pants and not get their feelers hurt 'cause guess what cupcake, somewhere there is someone hurt by the things you say and do too! You have to realize there are a-holes out there. Always have been, always will be. They are going to do and say things that are hateful etc. just because they can and/or they get their kicks from it. You can't stop it without trampling on everyone. You can't. Stop. I can hear you thinking, but what if we... No. You can not.
15 posted on 01/31/2014 6:04:35 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Did Nancy Pelosi write this for them???


16 posted on 01/31/2014 6:04:44 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: envisio

I’m offended by gay pride parades. Are they going to ban those too? They don’t want to discriminate do they? Hey, let’s ban anything that offends anyone...


17 posted on 01/31/2014 6:05:43 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: envisio
If you think the Left is getting froggy now wait until Amnesty gives them their permanent majority.
18 posted on 01/31/2014 6:05:47 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PaulCruz2016
FTA... conclusion paragraph:
“Free speech should not stand in the way of common decency. No right should be so freely and recklessly exercised that it becomes an impediment to civil society, making it so that others are made to feel less free, their private space and peace invaded, their sensitivities cruelly trampled upon”.

From Il Duce Cuomo.
”Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives, who are right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay, is that who they are? Because if that is who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that is not who New Yorkers are.” Il Duce Cuomo

19 posted on 01/31/2014 6:06:53 AM PST by BilLies ("Will none rid me of this lying bastard ?")
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To: PaulCruz2016
Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.
Øbama, is that you? Stopped reading right there.
20 posted on 01/31/2014 6:08:19 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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