Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
The NTSB is supposed to be treating this as if it was a crime scene. Would you have any problem with one of the prime murder suspects (for example) being allowed to observe a criminal investigation, because he, his insurers, etc all have such a vested interest in the outcome?
No, I have no problem with the mechanic watching them take apart the engine and answering questions about the maintenance record.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is standard procedure.
Nice evasion. You didn’t answer what I asked.
Questions about the maintenance record should be contained in a maintenance log. What would be the point of having the mechanic there?
How much of the maintenance and repairs done by that mechanic was actually on the engine itself, do you think?
OK, according to http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/forms/NTSB_Investigation_Party_Form.pdf parties involved in the incident can be invited to be a party to the investigation and participate in the fact-finding portion of the investigation if they have pertinent expertise or knowledge. They are not allowed to determine the cause of a crash/engine failure, etc but can submit their ideas for consideration.
They are to be dismissed if they show preferential behavior during the course of the investigation.
But that is determined by the NTSB, and this NTSB has already shown it’s been willing to lie about the basic facts of who was on the plane and what happened to them.
Seems like the IIC must have named Makani Kai as a party to the investigation immediately, which is what allowed Schuman to make arrangements to find the plane and have it lifted from the ocean. How that complies with the NTSB’s mandate for fatal accidents - to treat the scene as a crime scene - I don’t know. Seems to me that it doesn’t comply with that mandate. Dismantling the engine from the fuselage before lifting it isn’t kosher.
There is no prime suspect as this is not a criminal investigation. It might turn into one if any evidence shows up. there won’t be.
Calling something a crime scene does not mean a crime has been committed.
“NTSB has already shown it’s been willing to lie about the basic facts of who was on the plane and what happened to them.”
That’s your speculation based principally on news reports. If there was an extra person on the plane then everyone on the plane is involved, the mechanics, the owners, the Maui police. It just goes on and on. Your convoluted conspiracy just keeps getting bigger and bigger. You got it to where as many as 40 or 50 new people are added to the conspiracy just to get Fuddy. It reminds me of a pyramid scheme. Eventually everyone in the world but you will part of the conspiracy.
So, instead of getting all these new people involved in the “murder” of Fuddy, why not just use the guys who shot Breitbart with the heart attack dart?
The NTSB rules say that if there is a death or fire/sparks involved, they have to treat the area as if it is a crime scene. That means that they need to secure the evidence so it cannot be contaminated. They failed to do that in 2 Cessna engine failures that happened within 50 days and 25 miles of each other, starting 3 days after Fuddy was named in a criminal complaint.
Those are facts. Not opinion, not speculation. Facts.
I can show you photos of at least 10 people who were in that plane, taken from the Puentes video.
That is a fact. Not opinion, not speculation. Fact.
BTW, I don’t think they killed Fuddy. You’re assuming that’s what I think just because I’m pointing out that the official story line has been proven false, and USCG, NTSB, Schuman, and Kawasaki are known to have lied to hide the existence of at least one extra woman on board that plane. I’m asking why, and saying we deserve honest answers as to why. That’s all.
I know it’s radical to expect honest answers; this regime hasn’t given honest answers on ANYTHING, and the “official investigations” on several different scandals have been proven to be whitewashes to cover up responsibility and what really happened.
One of those scandals involved hiding the existence of eyewitnesses in Benghazi, giving them new identities so Congressional investigators could not find them, and forcing them to sign non-disclosure agreements and take multiple polygraph tests to make sure they didn’t tell anybody the truth. How many people were involved in that conspiracy? Tell me how many people would have been involved in covering up the existence of those eyewitnesses, giving them new identities to hide them from Congress, and forcing NDA’s and polygraph tests?
That’s just Benghazi. When you figure out and report the number of people in that conspiracy, move on to Fast and Furious. When you’re done with that, go on to IRS targeting of the Tea Party. When that’s done go on to Extortion 17. And then to the “Saudi person of interest” in the Boston Marathon bombing.
When you’re all done with that, report the numbers to me and then tell me again how “crazy” it is for anybody to suggest that people in this regime would conspire to commit crimes and then cover up those crimes - even to the point of doing what it takes to give witnesses new identities. Which probably means killing off their old identities first, or at the very least having a way for them to “go missing”...
Please do.
“USCG, NTSB, Schuman, and Kawasaki are known to have lied to hide the existence of at least one extra woman on board that plane.”
The extra woman that even the other passengers didn’t appear to notice?
I’m curious about the tattoo on the guy next to Rosa. Is that a Subud symbol http://subud.org/iscmedia/symboldownloads.html
or a spiderweb?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spiderweb%20Tattoos
“The symbol of the ‘spiderweb tattoo’ means the wearer has, or is currently “doing time.” It is most commonly seen on the elbow, neck, or knee. However, one might find this symbol almost anywhere on the body, the placement of the tattoo itself makes no difference. Usually this symbol means that the wearer has done time in jail, or prison. This specific symbol is used to show time locked up, because the spiderweb itself symbolizes how a spider web catches, or imprisons it’s prey. This tattoo can be found on all ethnicities, and all different gang affiliates. These days inmates will wear this tattoo to look the part of the “tough guy.”
This tattoo can also mean “struggle.” If one has been through a certian struggle in their life such as; overcoming a drug addiction, getting out of a gang, getting out of prison/jail, or even something like losing a loved one.”
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The number of circles in the web indicates the years served. I can’t see the tattoo on the guy in the plane well enough to tell how many circular tiers it has, but the Subud symbol has 7.
It looks like his has 4.
only 4 rings? then its a having-been-in-jail symbol.
FWIW, airport’s report on San Francisco airliner crash:
http://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/sf-city-atty-asiana-crash.pdf
“Any review of the handling of Ms. Ye’s body should be made in context of the particular circumstances and with reference to nationally-recognized mass casualty response procedures. The fire fighters who visually assessed Ms. Ye saw that she was covered in the dust and dirt from the debris cloud raised by the crash sequence, that she was lifeless and ashen and that her eyes were rolled back. First responders are trained to recognize persons who are dead or beyond saving and to prioritize their duties to do the most good for the most people. In this instance, the responding fire fighters who first encountered the body were all trained and experienced, with a minimum of five years of service with the SFFD before joining the SFFD-AB. Each individually determined that Ms. Ye was dead.”
“In his presentation before the NTSB Board of Inquiry, Chief David Whitaker, Chairman of the Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting Working Group, described the START (Simple Triage and Rapid Transport) system of triage, which is based on a quick evaluation of victims in a mass casualty situation. (NTSB Board of Inquiry Hearing Transcript, 246: 1—247: 1.) Chief Whitaker acknowledged that it is a “hard call for a first responder” but, in order “to do the most good for the most number of people” it is imperative that “those that are deceased or obviously in a dying state are left in that position.” (NTSB Board of Inquiry Hearing Transcript, 246: 8—23.) This is not a matter of being careless or callous, but rather reflects that professional rescuers must maneuver through a complex and dynamic environment to save as many lives as possible. (Testimony of Assistant Deputy Chief Dale Carnes, NTSB Board of Inquiry Hearing Transcript, 298:14-19.)”
How many victims constitute a mass casualty situation?
USCG has nothing in their protocols about using START. They do have explicit protocols, and the response is supposed to provide enough personnel to handle the number of victims involved. In this case, if you believe the official story, there were 9 people on board so each rescue swimmer had to manage 5 people. Not exactly a mass casualty situation - especially since the victims all had either life jackets or a cushion to hold onto (Kawasaki is in the longer video holding onto a cushion, which blows apart his story about the water being so wild he couldn’t even find the cushions he had thrown out. I wonder why he said that, when he was actually filmed holding onto the cushion...)
The question isn’t how many victims constitute a mass causality event. But how many did the rescue swimmers know there were at the time they jumped into the ocean? 9? 10? 13? 14?
How long was the first rescue swimmer in the water by himself?
How would he know the condition of the other passengers if Fuddy was the first victim he reached? What assumption might he make about the other passengers if Fuddy was the first passenger he reached?
FWIW, 1994 Broward County, Florida Multi-Agency Ocean Rescue Plan
“The priority of the first incoming EMS unit is to determine the magnitude of the incident and estimate the number of victims but not to assist the first critical victim found.”
Well, it couldn't be more clear by the sound of it, you're as bad as I am, I don't let go until I've exhausted every avenue either...not that it's bought me any great number of FRiends on FR, if they don't agree with you, watch out!
Right, I’m sure he thought that the others floating in their life jackets as visible from above would all be in worse condition than critical.
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