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Military retirees: You betrayed us, Congress
cnnmoney.com ^ | 12/13/13 | Jennifer Liberto

Posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper

Edited on 12/12/2013 11:27:38 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Military retirees are outraged that Congress will start voting Thursday on a budget deal that trims military pensions, calling the move "an egregious breach of faith."

The Military Coalition, some 27 military groups, wrote to leaders in Congress and President Obama late Wednesday about their "strong objection" and "grave concern" over the budget deal.


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KEYWORDS: congress; military; retirees
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To: driftdiver

It’s a made up disorder.


41 posted on 12/12/2013 12:08:44 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Aurorales

no its not


42 posted on 12/12/2013 12:15:02 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
Military retirees: You betrayed us, Congress

What a lot of these retirees never seemed to understand is that when it comes to cutting, their retirements are "low hanging fruit" to politicians, especially ones like our commie CIC. It is very easy pickings. It will only get worse. Except for the lousy economy, which the kenyan muzzie liar claims is getting better, I really don't know how the military is able to recruit.

43 posted on 12/12/2013 12:18:24 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
This is outrageous, but how many people who are rightfully incensed over cutting military pensions are indifferent, or pleased, at the prospect of Detroit retirees losing their pensions? The spirit of austerity is like a prairie fire, once it erupts it's hard to control, and nobody can tell who will wind up being burned.

I don't want to see anyone's pension benefits decimated. Of course, the military is a special case, but we also need to be concerned about Social Security, Medicare, 401ks, and private and public pensions. We also need to be concerned about the fate of future generations and the sustainability of retirement systems. These need to be addressed in a spirit of fairness and a desire to advance the common good. It's depressing to see the young set against the old, the public against the private, and the civilian against the military. We're all in this together, and there shouldn't be any second class citizens.

44 posted on 12/12/2013 12:21:31 PM PST by Route797
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To: Aurorales
It’s a made up disorder.

My mother had it, and it sure didn't seem made up to me. I wish the best for both your husband and your sister.

45 posted on 12/12/2013 12:25:19 PM PST by Route797
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To: driftdiver
ibromyalgia is not fake. Its a diagnosis of exclusion. Meaning the doctors don’t know whats wrong so they call it fibromyalgia.

I have a tremor, it's getting worse and affects my voice. The doc doesn't know what it is so he pronounced it a, "familial tremor". No one in my immediate or extended family has ever had it. Never mind, it's a familial tremor.

I think he thought he was consoling me by telling me that Katharine Hepburn had it too.

46 posted on 12/12/2013 12:28:43 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

The article says 1%. I believe they must mean 1 percentage point? The article also says it would cost the average retiring E7 about $3700 a year. That must have been one hell of a COLA. This is just crappy journalism. The article raises more questions than it answers.


47 posted on 12/12/2013 12:29:09 PM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Gene Eric; Sleeping Freeper

I agree, they should.

Pension reform needs to happen, but it needs to everywhere.


48 posted on 12/12/2013 12:29:17 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
I'm sure they'll be cutting civil service pensions as well.

Just a moment...

Oh, I'm being told they won't.

49 posted on 12/12/2013 12:30:02 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Makes perfect sense fromthe gub point of view. Apparently, the “the only really constitutional spending is the military in defense of the country” concept is lost on critters who have been buying votes and pull with taxpayer funded entitlements for many decades (not to mention all those infrastructure projects).

Rendering unto caesar....then off to the dentist....grinding is getting bad.

KYPD


50 posted on 12/12/2013 12:31:29 PM PST by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Complaining to congress (this US government) for their betraying military retirees (as well as the rest of the people) is analogous of pointing out to Satan that he is evil. Serving themselves is a politician’s nature and what they are doing and allowing to be done to this country is proof that most in DC don’t even care about their own families.


51 posted on 12/12/2013 12:31:33 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Graybeard58

thats why its called a medical PRACTICE


52 posted on 12/12/2013 12:32:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: csmusaret

There numbers are way off for an E7 it will over time cost a substantial amount but it will effectively after taxes hold us at our current levels for years to come. In the mean time they plan to raise our insurance rates. Our pensions are earned in my case over 30 years of total service. Ryan went after us because we are an easy target and the Dims have been targeting us for years, especially Patty Murray. We make up less than one percent of the total population. We cost the military but it is the retirement we were promised for stay. Keep in mind that statically very few veterans make it to retirement, it is a hard life. I will not vote in 2014, I have heard the arguments, not voting is a vote for Dims, well look what voting got me! Maybe it is time the GOP stop treating vets and conservatives like the Dims react blacks.


53 posted on 12/12/2013 12:40:02 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Aurorales
But I have a sister who is collecting social security disability on a fake problem. Fibromyalgia.

I have a former b-i-l who collects SS disability because he pouts and can't keep a job. He does self-employed landscape work on the side and gets paid in cash.
54 posted on 12/12/2013 12:46:32 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: HiJinx; Leatherneck_MT; USMCWife6869; ConorMacNessa

PING


55 posted on 12/12/2013 12:49:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper; All
I think that military retirees need to start beating the drumbs about Congress's constitutionally limited power to tax and spend. As mentioned in other threads, Justice John Marshall had clarified that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

If Congress would stop spending fo things that it has no constitutional authority to tax and spend for, then it may be much easier for Congress to pay for its Section 8 obligations, obligations which include the military, including military pensions.

56 posted on 12/12/2013 12:50:01 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: OldGoatCPO

If the group is going to bitch about this then they ought to poll their membership and ask them to answer honestly how they voted in this last Presidential election cycle and who they voted for in their state level and local elections. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!

If they just say: “I did’nt vote for that” they can tell them that Yes, they did.


57 posted on 12/12/2013 12:50:06 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Patriots needed!)
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To: Gene Eric

Exactly! WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION! The military defends the country for the leeches!


58 posted on 12/12/2013 12:53:00 PM PST by mr fish
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

Not sure your point, yes some vets especially black ones voted for Obama, most did not. That group is historically conservative. There is no place in the GOP for conservatives.


59 posted on 12/12/2013 12:54:15 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Gene Eric

Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions? How about other perks and privileges?


60 posted on 12/12/2013 12:54:15 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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