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Putting Military Pay on the Table
The New York Times ^ | 11/30/2013 | Editorial Board

Posted on 12/02/2013 2:01:31 AM PST by darrellmaurina

Big-ticket weapons like aircraft carriers and the F-35 fighter jet have to be part of any conversation about cutting Pentagon spending to satisfy the mandatory budget reductions known as the sequester. But compensation for military personnel has to be on the table, too — even though no other defense issue is more politically volatile or emotionally fraught.

After a decade of war, the very idea of cutting benefits to soldiers, sailors and Marines who put their lives on the line seems ungrateful. But America’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is over or winding down, and the Pentagon is obliged to find nearly $1 trillion in savings over 10 years. Tough choices will be required in all parts of the budget. Compensation includes pay, retirement benefits, health care and housing allowances. It consumes about half the military budget, and it is increasing.

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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Not allow someone to marry?

It might not be popular to say this, but those are still US citizens.


21 posted on 12/02/2013 7:40:14 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
We need 4 more army divisions, another Marine division, 2 carrier groups, and 2 air wings...

Why?

22 posted on 12/02/2013 7:41:06 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: darrellmaurina
I have a better idea. Why don't we cut welfare benefits ionstead?

After all, the military contributes a lot to this country while the welfare parasites contribute less than nothing.

23 posted on 12/02/2013 8:17:01 AM PST by Gritty (You can't fix crazy any more than you can fix stupid. Obamacare was never going to work.-Steve Deace)
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To: darrellmaurina

When are these so-called experts going to realize you can’t compare military service with the civilian sector.

They are not even close.


24 posted on 12/02/2013 8:24:27 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Progov

Indeed. . .one reads all the time about how shameful it is we have military enlistees receiving food stamps but at the same time we are treated to this garbage that somehow the military is over-paid and over-compensated.

Sheesh. . .


25 posted on 12/02/2013 8:26:17 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

With you.

During my time I saw many a young man get his life off the rails because of a marriage before he was ready.

Many times it was the local gal that did the trapping (’get me outta here’), and poor Sammy Soldier was homesick, thinking he is all manly (’tough soldier’) and he got laid (possibly for the first time and then thinks he is in love).


26 posted on 12/02/2013 8:30:28 AM PST by Hulka
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To: DoodleDawg

In order to get a little closer to being able to fight two simultaneous wars against real opponents, which has been until recently the national defense strategy.


27 posted on 12/02/2013 8:37:11 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: darrellmaurina

In the Baraqqi economy, with so few jobs especially for young folks, the military has a big attraction. Like any employer they have “leverage” in a bad market.


28 posted on 12/02/2013 8:43:26 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: xzins
In order to get a little closer to being able to fight two simultaneous wars against real opponents, which has been until recently the national defense strategy.

So you think we need to be ready to fight a ground war against China and someone else? And you think two or three more divisions will do it?

29 posted on 12/02/2013 8:50:23 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I think our military is that superior, 3 dimensionally. Yes. Would I prefer 5 instead of 3? Sure.


30 posted on 12/02/2013 9:03:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

“. . . you bet that Tommy sees!”

Kudos. Kipling.


31 posted on 12/02/2013 9:08:49 AM PST by Racehorse
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To: Hulka

Visit the NY Times editorial and read comments.

Commenting closed.

Some to many comments were, apparently withheld, either due to lack of moderators, or deferred to some editorial review.

I know that is true for my post. Had NYTimes cleared my comment within hours of the post, probably would have yielded better reading and rating than what it got delayed a day and released en masse. Smothered. Obamacare isn’t the only website which can’t deal with customers.

But, hey, eventually, my post appeared . . . when NY Times closed out comment. So, it goes.


32 posted on 12/02/2013 9:22:30 AM PST by Racehorse
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To: xzins
"It might not be popular to say this, but those are still US citizens."

I take it you were not in the military then. Because if you were, then you would know that when joining the military you voluntarily give up rights as a citizen. For instance, the ability to speak out or protest against your government while in uniform. Your judicial rights when accused of minor crimes (office hours). You can quit your job, you just can't quit the military. These are but a few. Besides, this is not ground breaking stuff. These regulations actually existed in our military at one time.
33 posted on 12/02/2013 10:01:11 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Hulka

If I had a dime for all of the Jarheads I knew in my career who fell in love (and wanted to marry) whores overseas.... well I’d have a lot of dimes.


34 posted on 12/02/2013 10:03:47 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
when joining the military you voluntarily give up rights as a citizen.

As a career Army chaplain, I can only say that you're information couldn't be more wrong. American citizenship rights are not given up in the military.

"In uniform" means that you have free speech rights when not in uniform. And the only reason the uniform matters is so you don't give the impression you're speaking on behalf of the government.

Your judicial rights aren't violated at all. Anyone can call for a judicial instead of a non-judicial hearing.

You can quit the military when your contract is up, and often before it's up, depending on the circumstances.

35 posted on 12/02/2013 10:09:24 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
"Your judicial rights aren't violated at all."

Name a civilian job where you can be prosecuted for being late for work (AWOL, Missing movement)?

Name a civilian job where you can be prosecuted for adultry? (It has been prosecuted under Article 134)

Until recently, many people were prosecuted for homosexual activities. Name somewhere else in America where that could have happened?

"You can quit the military when your contract is up, and often before it's up, depending on the circumstances."

You are clearly being disingenious chaplain. You know as well as I do that you can't just wake up in the morning and say I don't feel like being in the army anymore.

Point of fact is that we who served in the military (I did it for 22 years) go into it knowing that we don't get to enjoy all the rights of an American citizen. And again, what I am suggesting (not allowing military personnel to get married until they attain a certain rank) is not some radical new idea. It is something that was practiced in the military years ago.

There's an old saying in the Marine Corps, if the Marines wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued her to you. While funny, there's a lot of truth to it.
36 posted on 12/02/2013 10:59:51 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
This is what I'm reacting to OTH: when joining the military you voluntarily give up rights as a citizen.
37 posted on 12/02/2013 12:28:08 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Perhaps I’m not communicating as well as I should but when you sign the contract to join the military it is a unique situation unlike any other in the civilian businessworld. In order to keep good order and discipline throughout the military you do not get to enjoy all the freedoms of American citizenship. Some of those things I have pointed out in earlier threads. I feel that adding one more that in the past has been used (not allowing members of the military to marry until they are of a certain rank, say E-5) would help solve a lot of problems in the military while simultaneously slashing some of the military budget. The amount of money spent on family services in the military is a pretty big chunk of dough.

I personally would rather see something like this done before they started slashing F-35s out of service. However, I think we can both agree that there is a lot of waste, fraud and abuse that goes on in the military that can be looked at also.


38 posted on 12/02/2013 1:21:59 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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